I think it is long past time to replace "ethnically cleanse" with "ethnically murder".
I hope you are correct about Israel, but it seems to me like Netanyahu et al. really do not care in the least what the rest of the world thinks.
And isn't it reprehensible that the only reason the Biden administration cares about the killing of Palestinians is how it might affect elections. ALL issues are now merely campaign issues for the Dems.
I agree. Ethnic cleansing sounds like something that involves Mr. Clean. There's nothing at all clean about what's going on in Gaza and the West Bank right now. Ethnic murder is much more accurate.
I don't know how many more Palestinians are going to be slaughtered before this current atrocity ends. I do see a momentous shift in American attitudes towards Israel, and I think it's permanent.
Yah, the Democrats are so contemptible, aren't they? They've gone from enthusiastic cheerleading for Israel to mealy-mouthedness because they saw the same polls I did. They have no convictions, no honor. Just an endless appetite for grift.
Of course, the Reps are *equally* slavishly attached to the Zionist bullshit and are *equally* committed to using it as a campaign issue. Asshole Trump even moved the embassy and declared Jerusalem the eternal capital. But you did know all that already, right?
People like Djean and I have despised Republicans for so long that it's just assumed. The contempt for Democrats in general is more recent, but began no later than 2016. Still, been a few years.
South Africa had more land, water, and resources than Israel. If it took 14 years of sanctions to shove them into majority rule, I'd wager it would take 2 to 3 years tops before Israel collapses once the BDS starts hitting.
Exactly. The BDS movement that brought down that regime was international in scope, and particularly pronounced in the UK. Once American aid gets cut, it won't take long at all. Israel simply cannot survive without it.
Besides, the Israelis have alienated most of the rest of the planet already.
Trump encouraged taking the vaccine. I chose to not get jabbed, and so was called a Trumper. There was absolutely nothing political about my choice. But then logic is not a strong point for a lot of people. Oh, and I detest both parties.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but I wonder how you can be so sure of the outcome you predict. The numbers you cite are less than decisive. Zionism is, of course, a very confused and contradictory ideology, but even as such it has an enduring history here in the US, thanks to religious lunatics of all kinds. Can you explain why this time will be any different in terms of the US population turning from this garbage, once and for all? Unfortunately, there are plenty of younger citizens who also buy into this Zionist shite. Short of an actual war involving young Americans heading off to the Middle East to fight for Israel (LOL!), I just don’t see Israel losing the propaganda war here.
If you want to call a third of younger Americans "plenty," that's up to you. I think they're sick of money and resources going to war instead of to their own country, and they've had enough. I do not believe this is going to go away.
I don't KNOW, of course. Just calling it like I see it. Besides, if I AM proven right, it may attract more subscribers.
As you imply, there will be a process of defanging the still powerful ideological propaganda weapon of antisemitism. How will this weaponizing of antisemitism be dismantled? Anticommunism died out (temporarily) after the fall of the Soviet Union. Ethnonationalist Zionists are increasingly exposing themselves as antisemites. Besides Zionists cannibalizing themselves, what other events will hasten the fall of groups like the ADL and AIPAC? Perhaps an international war crimes tribunal at the Hague middle of next year? Did the South Africans have as good an ideological weapon? In addition to the bribes, the entire political class is currently driven by the fear of being accused of antisemitism. Will the fear recede if and when the money dries up?
Why settle for “ethic murder” or genocide? It’s a Holocaust. A holocaust! A HOLOCAUST!!!
The industrialized, systematic murder of an ethnic group by a fascist state. This word is no longer to be applied solely to those of Jewish origin; certainly not when they perpetrate it on others.
Really sad and disturbing, the shooting of those three Palestinian-American students in Burlington. And all most likely due to extreme sentiments on race and religion.
On a broader, general scale, I think this just emphasizes the need for secularism and for moderation and rationality to be emphasized in religious teachings in general, instead of strongly conservative and extreme beliefs and religious interpretations.
Agreed. And am loving the hopeful feeling this article gives me... however... there are other factors. One of them is the possible hijacking or general fucking up of the whole thing by the lunatic right in the US and Europe. That would raise the spectre of western antisemitism, sound the holocaust alarms, and give weight to criminalising BDS. In fact, it may be Zionisms last chance. What do you think?
That's a valid concern. They have already criminalized BDS in several states--Texas comes to mind--but none of those laws will stand up to a challenge in the federal courts.
I would argue that it is the actions of the Zionists themselves that risk raising the specter of Western anti-Semitism. Fortunately, lots of Jewish people see this danger and are protecting themselves by protesting against Israel. It's kind of hard to say being anti-Israel is anti-Semitic when Jewish rabbis in America are burning Israeli flags.
So long as Jews, and just decent, rational people, show there's a BIG difference between Judaism and Zionism it will be tough for the old-school Jew-hating right to stir up that kind of hatred in the West.
One feels a great deal of admiration for those rabbis. Calling them Jew hating is proper forked tongue lizardry and must be called out... ironies abound.
Simply put, can't happen soon enough!
I think it is long past time to replace "ethnically cleanse" with "ethnically murder".
I hope you are correct about Israel, but it seems to me like Netanyahu et al. really do not care in the least what the rest of the world thinks.
And isn't it reprehensible that the only reason the Biden administration cares about the killing of Palestinians is how it might affect elections. ALL issues are now merely campaign issues for the Dems.
I agree. Ethnic cleansing sounds like something that involves Mr. Clean. There's nothing at all clean about what's going on in Gaza and the West Bank right now. Ethnic murder is much more accurate.
I don't know how many more Palestinians are going to be slaughtered before this current atrocity ends. I do see a momentous shift in American attitudes towards Israel, and I think it's permanent.
Yah, the Democrats are so contemptible, aren't they? They've gone from enthusiastic cheerleading for Israel to mealy-mouthedness because they saw the same polls I did. They have no convictions, no honor. Just an endless appetite for grift.
Of course, the Reps are *equally* slavishly attached to the Zionist bullshit and are *equally* committed to using it as a campaign issue. Asshole Trump even moved the embassy and declared Jerusalem the eternal capital. But you did know all that already, right?
Yup. Detest both parties. There is no "lesser evil".
People like Djean and I have despised Republicans for so long that it's just assumed. The contempt for Democrats in general is more recent, but began no later than 2016. Still, been a few years.
South Africa had more land, water, and resources than Israel. If it took 14 years of sanctions to shove them into majority rule, I'd wager it would take 2 to 3 years tops before Israel collapses once the BDS starts hitting.
Exactly. The BDS movement that brought down that regime was international in scope, and particularly pronounced in the UK. Once American aid gets cut, it won't take long at all. Israel simply cannot survive without it.
Besides, the Israelis have alienated most of the rest of the planet already.
It is truly amazing how so many political leaders are becoming the lunatic fringe, Butcher Boy Bibi, Genocide Joe, Antony the Undertaker .....
Donald the racist murderer and vaccine/climate denier, yes, all of that, please go on…
Trump encouraged taking the vaccine. I chose to not get jabbed, and so was called a Trumper. There was absolutely nothing political about my choice. But then logic is not a strong point for a lot of people. Oh, and I detest both parties.
Same, same, here.
As I walked away from the bullshit Dems I supported for years mostly because of my Labor ties and a father influenced by New Deal politics.
Done, done with the uni-party.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but I wonder how you can be so sure of the outcome you predict. The numbers you cite are less than decisive. Zionism is, of course, a very confused and contradictory ideology, but even as such it has an enduring history here in the US, thanks to religious lunatics of all kinds. Can you explain why this time will be any different in terms of the US population turning from this garbage, once and for all? Unfortunately, there are plenty of younger citizens who also buy into this Zionist shite. Short of an actual war involving young Americans heading off to the Middle East to fight for Israel (LOL!), I just don’t see Israel losing the propaganda war here.
But maybe I’ve missed something.
If you want to call a third of younger Americans "plenty," that's up to you. I think they're sick of money and resources going to war instead of to their own country, and they've had enough. I do not believe this is going to go away.
I don't KNOW, of course. Just calling it like I see it. Besides, if I AM proven right, it may attract more subscribers.
As you imply, there will be a process of defanging the still powerful ideological propaganda weapon of antisemitism. How will this weaponizing of antisemitism be dismantled? Anticommunism died out (temporarily) after the fall of the Soviet Union. Ethnonationalist Zionists are increasingly exposing themselves as antisemites. Besides Zionists cannibalizing themselves, what other events will hasten the fall of groups like the ADL and AIPAC? Perhaps an international war crimes tribunal at the Hague middle of next year? Did the South Africans have as good an ideological weapon? In addition to the bribes, the entire political class is currently driven by the fear of being accused of antisemitism. Will the fear recede if and when the money dries up?
Those are all good questions, and the only one to which I know the answer right now is your last one, and that answer is an emphatic Yes.
Why settle for “ethic murder” or genocide? It’s a Holocaust. A holocaust! A HOLOCAUST!!!
The industrialized, systematic murder of an ethnic group by a fascist state. This word is no longer to be applied solely to those of Jewish origin; certainly not when they perpetrate it on others.
Thanks for sharing this.
Really sad and disturbing, the shooting of those three Palestinian-American students in Burlington. And all most likely due to extreme sentiments on race and religion.
On a broader, general scale, I think this just emphasizes the need for secularism and for moderation and rationality to be emphasized in religious teachings in general, instead of strongly conservative and extreme beliefs and religious interpretations.
Agreed. And am loving the hopeful feeling this article gives me... however... there are other factors. One of them is the possible hijacking or general fucking up of the whole thing by the lunatic right in the US and Europe. That would raise the spectre of western antisemitism, sound the holocaust alarms, and give weight to criminalising BDS. In fact, it may be Zionisms last chance. What do you think?
Sorry... that should say, “pump the levels of western antisemitism and raise spectre of holocaust... “ western antisemitism is more than a spectre.
That's a valid concern. They have already criminalized BDS in several states--Texas comes to mind--but none of those laws will stand up to a challenge in the federal courts.
I would argue that it is the actions of the Zionists themselves that risk raising the specter of Western anti-Semitism. Fortunately, lots of Jewish people see this danger and are protecting themselves by protesting against Israel. It's kind of hard to say being anti-Israel is anti-Semitic when Jewish rabbis in America are burning Israeli flags.
So long as Jews, and just decent, rational people, show there's a BIG difference between Judaism and Zionism it will be tough for the old-school Jew-hating right to stir up that kind of hatred in the West.
One feels a great deal of admiration for those rabbis. Calling them Jew hating is proper forked tongue lizardry and must be called out... ironies abound.