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Perseus's avatar

You're right about the fact that the worse is avoided but just don't forget it is what it is:Trump is defined by his observers. When Trump bombed Syria twice, tried to overthrow the government of Venezuela, started arming Ukraine, expanded NATO twice, got record-busting military budgets, dropped a record number of bombs in Afghanistan, signed off on FISA warrantless surveillance, imposed massive sanctions on Russia, tore up arms control treaties, handed over the State Department to Mike Pompeo, stationed US troops in Taiwan, assassinated Iran's top general, conducted a record number of drone strikes, installed a Raytheon Lobbyist as his Defense Secretary, gave Israel absolutely everything it wanted, did enormous arms deals with Saudi Arabia, and most recently orchestrated the passage of the $100 Billion War Funding Bill, he was doing all that to fight the Deep State...

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djean111's avatar

And the Democrats managed, both by deeds and by the woefully inadequate in every way candidate that the DNC selected to run, to bestow lesser evil status on to Trump. The Dems likely still have plans B, C, etc. to try and keep Trump from actually taking office, and also likely start some sort of civil war. The Democrats deliberately chose Trump to run against Hillary. So, once again, they managed to select the greater evil as their own candidate.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Lol. All true! The Deep State hates him only because he didn't actually start any new wars, and his election dooms the imperial experiment in Ukraine.

Besides the schadenfreude of liberal temper tantrums I'm seeing now, that's the only silver lining I can offer.

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The Watchman's avatar

Good points, Perseus

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@smokygirl2006's avatar

My sentiments exactly OB. We most likely avoided a nuclear war with Russia which is a good thing, but I feel that Trump will continue to give Israel everything it wants including more murder of Palestinians and support of Israel’s escalation tactics toward Iran. This isn’t a good look at all. The Palestinians have no mainstream politicians to support them. I find this incomprehensible.😢☮️🇵🇸

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

I am not so sure about Trump continuing to give Israel everything it wants. A lot depends on whether or not Biden's handlers follow through with cutting off military aid to Israel like they said they would because Israel is literally starving Gaza now.

Let's see what happens before 1/20/25 first.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

I bet “none of the above” probably won. Too bad there isn’t a no confidence option on the ballot.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

None of the above got my nonvote.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

My phone blew up this morning from all my normie dem friends and family about the unfolding tragedy.

I held my tongue - because wtf is the point. I mean, just reading the front page of the NYTs, they believe we elected Adolf - that life has ended - and they aren’t having anyone in their sphere tell them that the answer is to take responsibility, pull up their big kid pants, and organize.

The truth is that they wanted authoritarian A (the one with ‘Joy™’!) rather than authoritarian B (the orange asshole.)

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

I am very happy she lost. I am very sad he won. Not really insane.

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Roben Jones's avatar

That pretty well sums it up for me.

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Ben_H's avatar

Only on the (big) assumption that (a) nuclear war was indeed planned(?) and that (b) the President is actually deciding policy…

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Nuclear war doesn't have to be planned to happen. We almost had one in 1962 and nobody planned it. When the Russians moved their missiles out of Cuba, the threat abated. The same thing should happen now when the puppet regime in Kiev collapses.

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Ben_H's avatar

True.

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djean111's avatar

Also, when the US moved its missiles out of Turkey. Khrushchev let JFK take the win on that, at JFK's request. That's the reason there were missiles in Cuba in the first place.

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Josh Liveright's avatar

Nothing perverse about the true essence of humanity. It’s our job to uncover the layers of distorted thought to reveal it again.

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Dx's avatar

So everyone who said Trump was the worst thing that could happen to the USA - what are you going to do about it?

If - and I admit it's a pretty big if - enough of the US population stood up in opposition to its government-funded genocide of Palestinians would Trump's ability to read the room and his need to be loved mean he gives his audience what they want to hear and result in a change in policy?

You don't know till you try. ✊🏽🇵🇸❤️🕊️,Dx

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

And there's the one ray of hope--Trump does know how to read a room and he loves to be loved. He also personally detests Netanyahu because even Israelis personally detest Netanyahu.

Perhaps the Zionists will punch the wrong button on Trump's ego. Perhaps Trump will keep his promise to Arab-Americans and end the Israeli attack on Lebanon. That might get some Zionist fingers poking at him.

Perhaps, maybe, if. At least we have some maybes now. With Harris we had none.

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Dx's avatar

A tiny glimmer ❤️🕊️,Dx

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Damned near invisible.

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djean111's avatar

I caved and started watching Redacted. At one point, evidently livestreams were taking all the Youtube bandwidth, and they stopped several livestreams, so everyone moved to Rumble. I gave up before the end, plus I was (am am still) waiting for the other shoe to drop, to hear that crates of ballots were found in various Dem closets.

The Dems went to a great deal of backstabbing, cheating, and chicanery in general in order to make Trump the lesser evil. Again. Maybe Trump will do a few good things, eh? Most we can hope for. If he actually gets into the White House, of course. IMO, the Dems have so much hubris that they may not go quietly into the night and content themselves with raising money for 2030.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

I watched Due Dissidence on Rumble myself. They had Tusker on and I think she's great.

Yah, as I said above, at least with Trump we have some ifs and maybes whereas with $kamala we would have had none.

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djean111's avatar

My grandson is furious about this, he bought the Dems' only campaign issue - Orange Man Bad, Dems are wonderful. Scarily, we got into this before he took his first (of four) big dose of bi-polar-rage-squelching meds.

Evidently reddit feels the entire Dem leadership should be dissolved. Duh. They got what Hillary asked for, heh. What reddit and grandson refuse to admit is that this is not just a campaign issue thing - the Dems were horrible for years and years. Dems are outright saying free speech is wrong because it cannot be controlled - but Trump will get rid of our rights. For just one thing. Can't fix illogical.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Trump is the Clintons' Own Frankenstein's Monster. Call him Billary's Monster.

They told him it would be a great idea for him to run for Prez because they thought he was the only Republican candidate horrible enough for Hillary to beat.

But they were so terrible that the uppity villagers found the Monster more preferable than his creators. Twice. I'm sure Trump's looking forward to the inevitable mini-series.

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MrMickeysMom's avatar

Well, you only get ONE "re-do" in this life once you've rock climbed over the mountain of shit that is Washington, D.C. I've seen that growing mountain of shit, being born within 10 years of WWII. And, by living breathing, surviving local politics and office, which is a microcosm of our nation's capital, I'm very interested in seeing this one through. I already know that lamenter shit-libs who were promising so hard that they'd swear to "God" that they'd "contact Kamala every single day to move her to the left and never give up" are now ready to give up. They did not want to see the issues. They did not understand that we are upside-down in creating debt in the pursue of endless war and results of unfettered capitalism. They will not be seeing this thing through. I will see this through because I already have grown the skin to do so.

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MrMickeysMom's avatar

@Googie - Where'd you get that handle? I've been using that word for decades!!!

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

The shitlibs are the conservatives now. Tories with ID politics camoflauge. I watched part of Russell Brand's take on the election. Had a few of good points.

One, the election proves that the legacy media no longer controls what most Americans believe. Two, since 25% of Blacks and most Latinos voted for Trump, it demonstrates that America is NOT a racist country. Three, most Americans don't believe that a politician is a good person just because she is not white and male.

No wonder DU is still closed to all but the paying suckers, and a few conservative spies. Everything Democratic voters have been told to accept as absolute truths have been conclusively demonstrated to be false.

The cognitive dissonance and howls of outrage are music to my ears.

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MrMickeysMom's avatar

You have a good take on what this soup tastes like. I had not bothered to watch Russell Brand's analysis. I thought he was trying to stay to of the target scope by turning to Jesus, but it's a good analysis and howls of outrage must go somewhere. The question is, where? I'd rather like to see people evolve, but perhaps by demonstrating who the good ole U.S. is to people like the idiots on The View, some will.

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djean111's avatar

Looking at all the tears and recriminations. The Dems are blaming everything but their policies.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Yah. DU came back up. The folks at Conservative Cave have a spy Over There. Said the FBI paid them a visit because of death wishes the DUers were throwing at people like Arabs and Latinos and Black men, so maybe that’s one reason they went dark to us plebes for awhile.

Don’t know if it’s true, but it’s LOL funny.

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djean111's avatar

Kathy Griffith (Griffin?) anyway, says Kamala would have won if Taylor Swift had given a free concert/rally in Pennsylvania. Doubties, but shows how delusional entertainers are about their political influence. And yeah, the violence in all the Dems' wailings is kind of startling. You know, coming from folks who are afraid of MAGAs with guns. Also, evidently Kamala was supposed to win because she is a woman of color.

The Dems are, IMO, at this time, one of the most violent and empty groups ever. AOC is recommending resistance. Even the ones who recognize that the issues were food, gas, inflation, buying homes and cars, massive immigration and money to foreign wars and countries are basically saying that Kamala should have lied about those things, not that the Dems should have been actually working on those things.

Biden sure had a big ol' grin.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Biden LOVED seeing $kamala go down in flames. That was obvious.

My wife just unfriended somebody on Facebook because they condemned "the SHEEPLE(caps theirs)" who put the price of food and gas over the value of democracy.

The neoliberal Clinton/Obama Democratic Party is doomed. The party either drops the ID politics bullshit and the preaching, or they go the way of the Whigs.

I'm betting on William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor getting some company.

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Linda's avatar

Three things

Warp speed

Gaza

Musk

Screw all of that

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djean111's avatar

Oh, the Dems doubled down and politicized Covid. Knowing, IMO, this was wrong. Musk at least can build space ships, and may save some money. If RFK can fix anything about our "health care" system, that will be a plus. Stopping the flood of immigrants - evidently the Dems spent $81m just to fly folks into the US, FFS. And if Trump stops ladling money into Ukraine and/or stops the war, that's a big plus right there. There was never going to be a perfect candidate - our political system ensures that. Kamala, seems to me, just really really likes punishing people. And taking away all guns. From Americans. Any other country, the Dems flood with guns. And getting rid of free speech. She is who the Dems chose, that's all. This is on them. Kamala and the last four years of utter crap.

Gaza - yes, horrible. I agree with you there. Hoping that can be stopped, but Harris was not going to do that, neither were Blinken and Sullivan.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Dr. Robert Malone had an interesting thought. He said if RFK Jr. is made something like Secretary of Agriculture, just releasing the raw data about our super-processed GMO foods will be a tremendous help to the science of nutrition, and that Americans will become aware of our "metabolic health disaster" caused by so many of the foods we eat.

He said if America can turn agriculture around to being something healthy again, the whole world would learn much.

I never would have thought of that, but I don't see how he's wrong.

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djean111's avatar

Warp Speed - I think that Trump meant well and was snookered into that. I think the Dems knew damn right well there were problems. And owned pharma stock. And were owned by the Deep State, whatever that really is. I remember the Dems ridiculing Trump and the jab - and then, when in power, quadrupling down on that same jab. Without a smidge of embarrassment. Withholding Covid checks purely on a political basis. Pelosi bragged about that.

I was not brilliantly prescient about the whole thing, I am by nature a stubborn questioner. I initially resisted because of weird red flags - Madison Ave coercion lists - as if I can be shamed or guilted into stuff, at my age , Biden forming his very own little Covid task force that summer, not to help, but to hamper and to make plans for when/if he was elected.. The thing that stopped me in my tracks - Zeke no-lifesaving-intervention-for-folks=over-75 Emanuel was on Biden's team. And Zeke means that for everybody in the world, all the time. His triage plan was so scary it assumed doctors would not want to follow it, so teams were to be sent out to do the dirty deeds. And that's what happened, didn't it? Nursing homes flooded with Covid patients, meds that could have stopped most Covid death in its early stages, like Ivermectin and vitamins, withheld, ventilators and Remdesivir killings. Lucrative for the hospitals and pharma, though. Did the Dems do anything but press on harder? Are we STILL being advised to get jabbed on a regular fucking basis? Anyway, I did not realize all the danger signs for a while, I was just listening to my gut. And I know lots of people today who still believe all that crap and think I am crazy. So I am not laying all this on Trump. He had his advisors, and they deliberately sucked. Fauci was there for all of it, the Dems worship him.

Well, sorry, that's my little rant for the day. Trump should have known better when pretty much everybody I know still does not.

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Jazzme's avatar

humanity be us and us be naughty: expect lots of coal to be under our xmas trees this December as well as supplying the tech industrries need to burn elecrons on cyrpto currency and other techno crap the oligarchs feed us.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

LOL! If only...

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Pam2's avatar

I'm also relieved for the reason you mention. But not looking forward to 4 more years of Trump derangement syndrome. Had to remind a shit lib friend who emailed that he was Pres before and somehow we all survived. 🙄

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The Passionate Progressive's avatar

Congratulations OB as I used your 'The Last Tuesday Follies of 2024' to watch along with election analyses last night and your predictions were spot on! I even doubted this past Sunday's Due Dissidence assessment that predicted undecided women voters in swing states would give the election to $kamala - and I had your trusted predictions to back me up.

Hopeful that this will put a nail in the coffin of TDS, the Russiagate conspiracy theorists and by extension the deep state intelligence/judiciary/media apparatus which did more harm to the US than to Trump (seemingly never met a scandal he couldn't handle).

I have to say it's a relief to see the Cheney/Nuland witches neutralized even if it's only for the moment. Yet I do have concerns about the ghoul Mike Pompeo trying to make a comeback.

In that regard heard some insightful Pepe Escobar analyses/predictions of each of the candidates' foreign policies. What struck me most is his prediction that a Trump victory portends a return of the Abraham Accords and thus a doom for the 'two state solution'/Palestine.

Having said that, I've seen/heard predictions all over the map and the original Abraham Accords were - though four years ago - were prior to the rise of BRICS, Iran and the Saudi-Iranian restoration of diplomatic relations.

Either way whomever you vote for you get John McCain and this type of foreign policy is to the detriment of the US....Though I doubt that the Democratic Party will have learned any lessons for this perhaps the people standing against genocide will be starting to learn something and that the Democratic Party can not get away from its foreign policy failures and such incompetence as the Pennsylvania train derailment and the inability to fulfill stimulus payment promises. Haven't yet heard how Jill Stein did - hope she did well.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Thanks! Barring an actual assassination, Due Dissidence and many others will be reassessing their views about just how much power the permanent Federal bureaucracy actually has. It's clear to me that they, and millions of other people, have been routinely overestimating the power those people can actually wield.

Certainly the deep state's competence must be questioned. They engaged in show trial lawfare, botched two assassination attempts, waged a propaganda war reminiscent of Stalin's Pravda and Izvestia, and STILL lost.

This is yet another sign of rapid imperial decline. It's not 1963 in America anymore.

The British and French empires didn't fare too well after World War II, and their leaders made some remarkably bad calls. What I'm seeing now in DC reminds me of them.

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djean111's avatar

Epic rant from TYT. I believe real tears are involved. Although the gist of it really is this is what Harris should have done in order to win.

https://youtu.be/3j7m0tbZJgE?si=oK8_EFHlcuNKTfmB

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Cenk bashing the Democrats so he can tell us all to support the Democrats next election. He makes some great points, but they're wasted on Democrats because they live in a fantasy world where they identify themselves as members of the ruling class, when in fact they are little more than very wimpy and whiny Borg drones.

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djean111's avatar

Cenk was basically saying that Kamala should have lied about things. In order to win. That's the Dem way. She was not smart enough to even do that. Cenk saying she should have tried to get paid leave passed, so that the GOP would have been shown up. The problem there is that the Dems would not have voted for it either. Using paid leave as just another campaign tool. Which shows just what a tool Cenk is. IMO, etc.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Lol, I imagine you’re right. I haven’t watched Cenk for years now. If only the Dems would pay him oodles of bucks to come up with better lies, then he’d be fine with them.

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Innomen's avatar

Trump is what he always has been. An employee of the TV industry. https://innomen.substack.com/p/trump-again-now-what

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Nov 6Edited

For the first time ever, I voted for a Presidential candidate that was elected. I have always voted the the candidate I wanted in office, not against one I didn't want. I've voted for Mark Charles, Jill Stein, Ralph Nader and Ross Perot, to name a few.

This time I wanted Donald Trump. He didn't start any new wars, and will try and stop the war in Ukraine which is being destroyed by Biden's war of choice.

I wouldn't object to a better economy either!!

And lest I forget, for once, the anarchists in Seattle were arrested and shut down immediately.

If you'll pardon an overused phrase, the adults are back in the room.

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