when has the lack of support for .gov policy/laws ever had any effect on what .gov does? they just pretend they have the support of the people, put out the propaganda and magically, the agenda marches forward
Lots of times, but you have to go back to the 1970s to see it substantially affect foreign policy. Opposition to the Vietnam War definitely had an impact. For example, the War Powers Act was passed over Nixon's veto.
It's happening again, right now, albeit in a different form because these are different times.
Very good, OB. I do worry about a false flag, though. These have been effective in garnering support for these regime change wars. It’s sickening. Iran did not attack anyone and Tulsi Gabbard, the DNI, said that intelligence shows Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and all Trump can say, “She’s wrong”. He really needs to be impeached for pretending to negotiate with Iran while the whole time he was colluding with Bibi to attack Iran on June 13th. This is an extreme malignant narcissist we have in the oval office and it’s scary as hell. He should not be anywhere near the nuclear codes imho. 🙁😢😞
You should worry about a false flag. There have already probably been a couple of them. Be vigilant, but not terrified. The American people are not as gullible as we once were. We've lived through too much, and besides, the Zionists are using the exact same sales pitches!
If there's anything the average American hates, it is reruns of the same advertisements again and again and again.
There will be. Various false-flag operations were used to trigger WW2. Such as how Japanese warlords told the domestic population about why they must invade China and punish China; Germany claimed Poland attacked a German sentry post (or some other small structures)l Germany claimed German-speaking people in the Sudeten area were mistreated, how the US delayed the Japanese notification of war declaration and intentionally left battleships at docks and 200+ planes packed on the runway for the Japs tp bomb, etc. There are already reports that Ukraine passed old USSR torpedoes and naval mines to NATO countries to be used in the Baltic Sea, or Israeli water purification plants get blown up, etc. The chance of no war is slim.
Candace Owens did an absolutely brutal take down on the whole lie of Israel and addresses the brainwashing we were all lost in. In less than three minutes she blows the cover on it all. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_kpdxwzL_pA
She really did do a good job. She talks about 1948, but it started much earlier. I'll post a couple of history videos about what happened during the British Mandate period.
That was just a short clip from a much longer podcast. She does talk about the early history of Israel and Zionism. What I really appreciated was her open admission of how ignorant she -- and all of us -- were about the actual history and she pulls no punches in calling out those who actively ignore that history and continues supporting Israel's genocide, wars and social depravity.
She has shown true moral courage on this issue and she can -- damn -- really make powerful arguments.
This US pro-war propaganda, i.e., demonizing political leaders in order to promote regional US hegemony has been going on longer than Sadaam Hussein's WMD - essentially since the end of WWII....I read an interesting former British Ambassador Craig Murray quote that I will paraphrase that perfectly captures my sentiment. .....I've been anti-violence my entire life but when I see Israel's atrocities against the people of Gaza, I have to come out and support Iran.......Well, In my case, I've only been 'active' in Veterans for Peace since the first Gulf War under Bill Clinton....But Murray echoes my sentiment. Thank you OB and all for revealing the emperor is naked.
The Gulf War was under Poppy Bush. I remember that because I got out of the Navy just as it started. I remember lots of sailors who had "No Blood for Oil" bumper stickers, too.
Why? How does letting those people to whom you feel superior suffer help you or your family? How does giving away billions of bucks to genocidal maniacs in a pissant foreign country help you or yours?
The two I mentioned are likely to produce a series of feral children who will grow up to be violent criminals.
Those people, i.e. Darnell from Da Hood and Rodney the Redneck Retard, are far more likely to do something horrible to me or my surroundings than anyone in Israel or Iran.
Come on, OB. Don't you remember the "wilding" storylines of the 80's & 90's? Remember how all the media breathlessly kept looping whatever violent urban youth storyline into a standard "be scared of black youth - they are SUPER PREDATORS!".
I remember and it sure seems like Gene does, too. He also is certainly a much more valuable member of society than anyone living in a mobile home.
What a bigoted twat. Fuck you, Gene. I'll help buy your ticket to Tel Aviv.
Good read. War may not help the people's economy in general but it's good for the defense industry and war mongers. As Gerald Celente has said, " When all else fails, they take us to war", This support for the Zionists can't end soon enough. There is nothing biblical about this.
It may not be so good for the defense industry if a couple of aircraft carriers get sunk because they are obsolete. I think they have some serious concerns about that.
The knowledge of the masses that they were lied to and tricked is (somehow) channelled into voting for "another" party which may be viewed as punishing the side we are disappointed with. But we all know very well that both/all sides are under the same ownership.
Yesterday I took a quick view in 2 old American documentaries:
Logic says that this sort of farcical-madness can't go on forever but is it just me that is amazed about how much people can take and take...?
30 years ago, no one would have believed that the sheer amount of blatant lies we have been fed, crisis after crisis, in virtual perpetuity, would be able to occur with no reaction from the public.
The longer it goes on it seems any future social outburst may be extra violent as if to compensate for all those lost years we sat on our hands. Not to mention we are totally vulnerable and becoming used to our protracted passivity. All that said, the new data is encouraging and a little surprising. The concern is that once troops are deployed public spirit tend to support army & state no matter what.
Difficult to see is the future, but some things really are different this time. One difference is that Iran can actually fight back and at least the Pentagon knows it. Another is modern social media, over which the oligarchy has lost control.
I've never seen Army troops literally shuffle past a President in a parade before, either. I cannot overstate the significance of that. Given everything else that is going on, a military coup in the US is no longer unthinkable.
Neither is a genuine revolution. All of the ingredients for one are in place in this country; it only needs a trigger to set it off. No one will know what it is if and when it happens, either, not even the revolutionaries themselves, who might not even be revolutionaries yet when it happens.
If this is "freedom" we're living here in the US today with ICE kidnapping people off the streets (including children), then I can understand why anyone would "hate us" for inflicting such miserable "freedom" upon others.
The YouGov poll is even better with "independents" with that group over 89% who say the US shouldn't go to war with Iran. That's probably a higher percentage than people in the mid-1960s being against the war in Vietnam. The trick now is to turn those anti-war sentiments into actions that will shut the war machine down. Permanently.
That is a FAR higher percentage than antiwar people in the mid-60s. The Vietnam War had solid majority support until the Tet Offensive in early 1968, and there was no clear majority in favor of just getting the F out of Vietnam until late 1970 at the earliest.
Remember that the first combat divisions were deployed in 1965, well after the false flag Gulf of Tonkin incident LBJ used to whip up public sentiment for war. The Pentagon, MIC, and Big Oil were all in for a nice, fat, profitable war then, too.
This time, a solid majority is AGAINST war, none of the recycled 9/11 propaganda is working, Big Oil is on the public's side for a change(that is SO weird), the Pentagon fears a quick and humiliating defeat, the President of the United States doesn't have popular accomplishments like the Civil Rights Acts and Medicaid so people like him and give him the benefit of the doubt, and the economy is definitely NOT booming as it was in the 1960s.
Now, we just have to figure out how to turn that trick you mentioned.
I know why they don’t dump Israel, it’s the last moment to make to pockets of the few warmongers fuller but from long and strategic point of view it would be perfect moment to dump this lability called Israel for good and even put all USA sins on them (so many people are sure, Israel makes USA do all this thing, pushing this propaganda wouldn’t be hard). But long term thinking is apparently lost in our elites if they can make little more profit instead.
I may be a good example of the average American. Long ago I was a hardcore reoublican, neocon dupe and Zionist dupe. Then I came across a series of historical maps of Palestine. That got my attention. Being the curious type, I began to research. It took time but I had plenty since I'm retired. Now my world view has gone 180°.
You wrote an excellent post. You're one of many excellent posters educating people about the zionist conspiracy. We're winning and so are the Palestinians.
The Palestinians are suffering horribly and Gaza is destroyed. Yet they are winning! They've achieved the paramount strategic victory! They have taken the Moral High Ground! They took it from the zionists and America who created a chimera. The zionist state and America held the Moral High Ground for decades with lies and propaganda.
when has the lack of support for .gov policy/laws ever had any effect on what .gov does? they just pretend they have the support of the people, put out the propaganda and magically, the agenda marches forward
Gilens and Page proved it empirically:
https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/idr.pdf
Lots of times, but you have to go back to the 1970s to see it substantially affect foreign policy. Opposition to the Vietnam War definitely had an impact. For example, the War Powers Act was passed over Nixon's veto.
It's happening again, right now, albeit in a different form because these are different times.
I thrilled at every word of this! Thank you. Israel delenda est.
Let's hope we are finally smart enough to figure out what's going on.
Very good, OB. I do worry about a false flag, though. These have been effective in garnering support for these regime change wars. It’s sickening. Iran did not attack anyone and Tulsi Gabbard, the DNI, said that intelligence shows Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and all Trump can say, “She’s wrong”. He really needs to be impeached for pretending to negotiate with Iran while the whole time he was colluding with Bibi to attack Iran on June 13th. This is an extreme malignant narcissist we have in the oval office and it’s scary as hell. He should not be anywhere near the nuclear codes imho. 🙁😢😞
You should worry about a false flag. There have already probably been a couple of them. Be vigilant, but not terrified. The American people are not as gullible as we once were. We've lived through too much, and besides, the Zionists are using the exact same sales pitches!
If there's anything the average American hates, it is reruns of the same advertisements again and again and again.
There will be. Various false-flag operations were used to trigger WW2. Such as how Japanese warlords told the domestic population about why they must invade China and punish China; Germany claimed Poland attacked a German sentry post (or some other small structures)l Germany claimed German-speaking people in the Sudeten area were mistreated, how the US delayed the Japanese notification of war declaration and intentionally left battleships at docks and 200+ planes packed on the runway for the Japs tp bomb, etc. There are already reports that Ukraine passed old USSR torpedoes and naval mines to NATO countries to be used in the Baltic Sea, or Israeli water purification plants get blown up, etc. The chance of no war is slim.
I prefer to think of it as the Offal Office. A truly bipartisan slaughterhouse.
Dear God, I hope you are correct.
Candace Owens did an absolutely brutal take down on the whole lie of Israel and addresses the brainwashing we were all lost in. In less than three minutes she blows the cover on it all. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_kpdxwzL_pA
She really did do a good job. She talks about 1948, but it started much earlier. I'll post a couple of history videos about what happened during the British Mandate period.
Not even the rhetoric has changed.
That was just a short clip from a much longer podcast. She does talk about the early history of Israel and Zionism. What I really appreciated was her open admission of how ignorant she -- and all of us -- were about the actual history and she pulls no punches in calling out those who actively ignore that history and continues supporting Israel's genocide, wars and social depravity.
She has shown true moral courage on this issue and she can -- damn -- really make powerful arguments.
She has certainly earned my respect over the last year and a half.
Me too. Something I never saw coming.
Similarly, I am probably going to...yuck ...go out of my way to watch Carlson attempt to embarrass Cruz. Gag.
This US pro-war propaganda, i.e., demonizing political leaders in order to promote regional US hegemony has been going on longer than Sadaam Hussein's WMD - essentially since the end of WWII....I read an interesting former British Ambassador Craig Murray quote that I will paraphrase that perfectly captures my sentiment. .....I've been anti-violence my entire life but when I see Israel's atrocities against the people of Gaza, I have to come out and support Iran.......Well, In my case, I've only been 'active' in Veterans for Peace since the first Gulf War under Bill Clinton....But Murray echoes my sentiment. Thank you OB and all for revealing the emperor is naked.
The Gulf War was under Poppy Bush. I remember that because I got out of the Navy just as it started. I remember lots of sailors who had "No Blood for Oil" bumper stickers, too.
You're right - poppy Bush...
Better Israel than the trailer park queen or the welfare momma.
Why? How does letting those people to whom you feel superior suffer help you or your family? How does giving away billions of bucks to genocidal maniacs in a pissant foreign country help you or yours?
Neither helps mine for shit.
The two I mentioned are likely to produce a series of feral children who will grow up to be violent criminals.
Those people, i.e. Darnell from Da Hood and Rodney the Redneck Retard, are far more likely to do something horrible to me or my surroundings than anyone in Israel or Iran.
Ooooh...those black kids wearing back packs walking home from school are roving gangs to you. I get it. Poverty has nothing to do with crime. Sure.
I have no idea who Darnell or Rodney are; I do know live in a mostly Black neighborhood and can leave my house unlocked and not worry about a thing.
I scoff at your fear, poltroon.
You’re really delusional and dumb.
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Your profile says you’re a grumpy old man.
How old are you?
How did you attain that age while remaining a PoS teenager?
Come on, OB. Don't you remember the "wilding" storylines of the 80's & 90's? Remember how all the media breathlessly kept looping whatever violent urban youth storyline into a standard "be scared of black youth - they are SUPER PREDATORS!".
I remember and it sure seems like Gene does, too. He also is certainly a much more valuable member of society than anyone living in a mobile home.
What a bigoted twat. Fuck you, Gene. I'll help buy your ticket to Tel Aviv.
While we don’t always agree on a lot of things Ohio we can definitely agree here. Trump and his Zionist masters have made a grave miscalculation here.
I'm glad we don't always agree. Echo chambers are so damned boring and you can never learn anything in them.
Bravo!
Good read. War may not help the people's economy in general but it's good for the defense industry and war mongers. As Gerald Celente has said, " When all else fails, they take us to war", This support for the Zionists can't end soon enough. There is nothing biblical about this.
It may not be so good for the defense industry if a couple of aircraft carriers get sunk because they are obsolete. I think they have some serious concerns about that.
The knowledge of the masses that they were lied to and tricked is (somehow) channelled into voting for "another" party which may be viewed as punishing the side we are disappointed with. But we all know very well that both/all sides are under the same ownership.
Yesterday I took a quick view in 2 old American documentaries:
https://substack.com/@benh806792/note/c-126867450
and I'd be lying to you if I felt optimistic.
Logic says that this sort of farcical-madness can't go on forever but is it just me that is amazed about how much people can take and take...?
30 years ago, no one would have believed that the sheer amount of blatant lies we have been fed, crisis after crisis, in virtual perpetuity, would be able to occur with no reaction from the public.
The longer it goes on it seems any future social outburst may be extra violent as if to compensate for all those lost years we sat on our hands. Not to mention we are totally vulnerable and becoming used to our protracted passivity. All that said, the new data is encouraging and a little surprising. The concern is that once troops are deployed public spirit tend to support army & state no matter what.
Difficult to see is the future, but some things really are different this time. One difference is that Iran can actually fight back and at least the Pentagon knows it. Another is modern social media, over which the oligarchy has lost control.
I've never seen Army troops literally shuffle past a President in a parade before, either. I cannot overstate the significance of that. Given everything else that is going on, a military coup in the US is no longer unthinkable.
Neither is a genuine revolution. All of the ingredients for one are in place in this country; it only needs a trigger to set it off. No one will know what it is if and when it happens, either, not even the revolutionaries themselves, who might not even be revolutionaries yet when it happens.
Interesting times... We don’t see those details from outside the US. Thanks for upping the resolution on these finer details.
Israel delenda est
“They hate us for our freedom...”
If this is "freedom" we're living here in the US today with ICE kidnapping people off the streets (including children), then I can understand why anyone would "hate us" for inflicting such miserable "freedom" upon others.
The YouGov poll is even better with "independents" with that group over 89% who say the US shouldn't go to war with Iran. That's probably a higher percentage than people in the mid-1960s being against the war in Vietnam. The trick now is to turn those anti-war sentiments into actions that will shut the war machine down. Permanently.
That is a FAR higher percentage than antiwar people in the mid-60s. The Vietnam War had solid majority support until the Tet Offensive in early 1968, and there was no clear majority in favor of just getting the F out of Vietnam until late 1970 at the earliest.
Remember that the first combat divisions were deployed in 1965, well after the false flag Gulf of Tonkin incident LBJ used to whip up public sentiment for war. The Pentagon, MIC, and Big Oil were all in for a nice, fat, profitable war then, too.
This time, a solid majority is AGAINST war, none of the recycled 9/11 propaganda is working, Big Oil is on the public's side for a change(that is SO weird), the Pentagon fears a quick and humiliating defeat, the President of the United States doesn't have popular accomplishments like the Civil Rights Acts and Medicaid so people like him and give him the benefit of the doubt, and the economy is definitely NOT booming as it was in the 1960s.
Now, we just have to figure out how to turn that trick you mentioned.
I know why they don’t dump Israel, it’s the last moment to make to pockets of the few warmongers fuller but from long and strategic point of view it would be perfect moment to dump this lability called Israel for good and even put all USA sins on them (so many people are sure, Israel makes USA do all this thing, pushing this propaganda wouldn’t be hard). But long term thinking is apparently lost in our elites if they can make little more profit instead.
From your keyboard to god's ears, brother. We're certainly living through some rotten reality. Much respect from right here in Cuyahoga.
I may be a good example of the average American. Long ago I was a hardcore reoublican, neocon dupe and Zionist dupe. Then I came across a series of historical maps of Palestine. That got my attention. Being the curious type, I began to research. It took time but I had plenty since I'm retired. Now my world view has gone 180°.
You wrote an excellent post. You're one of many excellent posters educating people about the zionist conspiracy. We're winning and so are the Palestinians.
The Palestinians are suffering horribly and Gaza is destroyed. Yet they are winning! They've achieved the paramount strategic victory! They have taken the Moral High Ground! They took it from the zionists and America who created a chimera. The zionist state and America held the Moral High Ground for decades with lies and propaganda.