OK, just wondering how you feel about the trumpist assholes who have been doing very much the same thing as the corporatist Dems in terms of raping the working class as well as those who, tragically, consider themselves middle-class. I mean, I totally get the hatred espoused toward neoliberal hypocrites. But where is the rage toward the openly fascist GOP? Are they somehow exempt? Because, I don’t know, they’re just more open about the rape of the public?
Forgive me if I have missed something, but I just haven’t seen an equivalent raw hatred and contempt toward the actual, self-described far right. If Dems are evil, aren’t Reps as well? Why isn’t trump the very apotheosis of today’s oligarchic/corporate evil presence, worldwide?
Why aren’t you putting your energy into defeating that disgusting prick?
I cannot, of course, answer for Ohio - but I have seen this whinge before.....
What you are seeing, I believe, is years and years and years of anger about being told the Dems are better, vote for the blue no matter who, betrayals like Bernie Sanders', watching Dems lie openly and proudly admit the primaries are a farce and that ANYTHING they do is okay as long as it achieves their goals. You know, like M. Albright casually saying that the deaths of half a million Iraqi kids was worth it , because goals. And now, FFS, the Dems are sending cluster bombs to Ukraine - remember, Hillary was one of the very few in the world to refuse to sign an edict against them. And Zelensky will use them on civilians, happily so.
Anyway, it is not Ohio's or anybody else's job to point out all the flaws in both parties. If you are merely on a mission that ends with "lesser evil" or "VFTBNMW", then many of us have been there, got the t-shirt. Many of us despise both parties, and do not feel compelled in any way to make a choice between them. Perhaps you could issue your own diatribe against the GOP.
I would say looks like campaign season has begun, but it never really stops, does it. And both parties are chock full of disgusting pricks. It is up to the Democrats to actually do something good for people, not just howl about the GOP. Tired of the divisive game.
If Bernie, who I still love, and who I supported across two campaigns, is a “traitor,” then who *is* the rightful AND VOTE-GETTING standard-bearer for progressives?
Who can do better then Senator Sanders in articulating progressive goals, and the reasons why women and other working people should support them? I am really interested to see who you might name… who can capture a commanding percentage of the Dem party vote, as well as peel away enough independents to deny Citrus Caligula another term, and capture enough congressional seats to put together an unstoppable, progressive House and Senate?
Oh, dear - is Bernie going to run again? Is Bernie going to collect money and votes and then turn them over to and bend the knee to whoever the "We are a private corporation and can nominate anyone we damn right well want to" has chosen? Again? Yes, Bernie sure does articulate very well, that is called campaign rhetoric. What is said is not important. What is done is the only thing that counts. Anyway, Bernie has already endorsed Biden for 2024, and I have no doubts that Bernie would support that bumbling horror of a politician, Kamala Harris. PLEASE spare us the equal horror of waxing enthusiastic about Harris, should Biden wander off a stage and get lost or whatever, by the way. Also, you may have more luck with your exhortations at a site like Free Republic, methinks.
It is not our job to carry slops for the Democrats. It may be your job. Too bad the Dems don't have a little back door into Substack, eh? Can't wait for the "This is the most important election of our lifetime" crapola. And - newsflash - the Democrat party despises progressives. It just uses them as sheepdogs. Ruff, ruff!
Kind of strange how a dedicated Dem has never heard of Jake Sullivan, Antony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, or Lloyd Austin. Totally TDS, or just hack copy and pasting.
Instead of making huge surmises about where OP is "putting their energy"; maybe consider the fact that you are missing something. Not everyone has to perform doing the work in front of *you* to have been doing it.
I just saw your question, and I see other people have already answered in quite an admirable manner, so I won't repeat them.
I'll just add that you appear to be suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. He's not nearly as scary as Jake Sullivan, Antony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, or Lloyd Austin. They are all slavering, imperialist warmongers hellbent on establishing a global American Empire, when such a thing can never happen.
They are dangerously insane.
Donald Trump is a carnival barker who won the birthwealth lottery. He's a narcissist, but most carnival barkers are. He's not a Fascist; I doubt he even understands what it is. He's not nearly the warmonger Obama was or Biden is, and so far he has helped myself and my wife out financially by expanding the standard married tax deduction and $3600 in pandemic stimulus as opposed to Biden's reluctant $2800.
Not to mention that Joe Biden cost ME at least another $8000 with his bankruptcy "reform," and I have to retire next year instead of this year because he and others of his ilk raised the retirement age.
There is no way I would EVER vote for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. You had best hope Cornel West makes it on the ballot in Ohio, for if he does not and it's Trump v. Biden, I WILL vote for Donald Trump. I will never vote for a Democrat, any Democrat, again. I will vote for Republicans who are actually anti-nuclear war on that issue alone.
Well, as I have never met or interviewed or otherwise developed a deep understanding of the people you mentioned, I can’t say how scary they are. Perhaps they are everything you say they are. I would have to have a very close understanding of each of them to conclude that they are all the things you say they are… and that would take many more hours than I have readily available for verifying or disagreeing.
I think you deeply underestimate the potential of Donald Trump to bring about exactly the outcome (nuclear war) that you fear the most. The man is not sane. You don’t have to take my word for it, you can just listen to or read his statements, unedited, to easily reach the same conclusion. In the words of Frank Zappa, he is “not wrapped tight.“ I fear him starting a nuclear war not for usually understood geopolitical reasons, but just because he didn’t get the love letter back from Kim Jong Un that he was expecting.
Again, I totally get the hate on neoliberalism and I share it… but doesn’t strike you that we are at least as neck deep in the shit if TFG somehow wins than if Biden prevails?
You’re just thinking in terms of stereotypes of Trump—you better hope the war-pigging “Democrats” lose in 24 because senile Jozef Biden is the truly insane one playing chicken with nukes, he’s a mindless puppet of deep state mass murderers
Stereotypes of Trump? Uh, no. His own open, public statements provide all the evidence anyone could want for his basic instability and insanity. It’s impossible to caricature somebody who is already a walking self- caricature.
He's a carnival barker playing to an audience. He's a lot of bluster.
You speak of instability and insanity. What is more unstable or insane than arming Ukrainians to fight a war against Russia that they can never possibly win? So Raytheon and Sisters profit? What is more evil than that?
Thank you for a thoughtful reply. The least I can do is give a thoughtful answer.
I really think we would be better off with Donald Trump than we are now, just because Trump really would end the Ukraine war(though I think Russia will end it well before the election) and really might take the US out of NATO.
We have to stop this insane foreign policy of trying to dominate the entire global population. We can't do it, and they've had enough. That's why they're ditching the dollar as the medium of foreign trade. That kills the American Empire right there. All going to war over it does is get us all killed.
You do see this existentially extreme situation that has forced me to these conclusions, don't you? Trump never did this. He also didn't pressure social media companies to censor people on anywhere near the scale the Biden Administration has done. I don't have to LIKE the SOB to say that.
Freedom of speech is the right from which all other rights flow, and it is Democrats who want to take that away from us now, not Republicans.
These are just facts, like saying the sun has a habit of setting in a westerly direction. I don't like them, but there they are just the same.
Republicans are low-hanging fruit, they’re just obvious —how many times and in how many ways can they be bashed? It gets boring. “Democrats” are supposed to be an alternative to “Republicans”—the ONLY alternative in our rigged system, they’re supposed to be different and better—that is why I hate them with the fire of 10,000 suns and with every fiber of my being—they are squatting in a space that needs to be filled by actual leftists—at least not Republicans in all but official label
Enjoy your vacation, OB. Tell me if there's anything good to see in Western NY, so I can migrate from SW PA next time when I'm not as physically limited. Both MrMickey's dad and I are knee injured, and I must say, physical therapy beats getting surgery, but it puts a damper on life. I want to get out again, but it ain't THIS summer!
OK, just wondering how you feel about the trumpist assholes who have been doing very much the same thing as the corporatist Dems in terms of raping the working class as well as those who, tragically, consider themselves middle-class. I mean, I totally get the hatred espoused toward neoliberal hypocrites. But where is the rage toward the openly fascist GOP? Are they somehow exempt? Because, I don’t know, they’re just more open about the rape of the public?
Forgive me if I have missed something, but I just haven’t seen an equivalent raw hatred and contempt toward the actual, self-described far right. If Dems are evil, aren’t Reps as well? Why isn’t trump the very apotheosis of today’s oligarchic/corporate evil presence, worldwide?
Why aren’t you putting your energy into defeating that disgusting prick?
I cannot, of course, answer for Ohio - but I have seen this whinge before.....
What you are seeing, I believe, is years and years and years of anger about being told the Dems are better, vote for the blue no matter who, betrayals like Bernie Sanders', watching Dems lie openly and proudly admit the primaries are a farce and that ANYTHING they do is okay as long as it achieves their goals. You know, like M. Albright casually saying that the deaths of half a million Iraqi kids was worth it , because goals. And now, FFS, the Dems are sending cluster bombs to Ukraine - remember, Hillary was one of the very few in the world to refuse to sign an edict against them. And Zelensky will use them on civilians, happily so.
Anyway, it is not Ohio's or anybody else's job to point out all the flaws in both parties. If you are merely on a mission that ends with "lesser evil" or "VFTBNMW", then many of us have been there, got the t-shirt. Many of us despise both parties, and do not feel compelled in any way to make a choice between them. Perhaps you could issue your own diatribe against the GOP.
I would say looks like campaign season has begun, but it never really stops, does it. And both parties are chock full of disgusting pricks. It is up to the Democrats to actually do something good for people, not just howl about the GOP. Tired of the divisive game.
Absolutely
If Bernie, who I still love, and who I supported across two campaigns, is a “traitor,” then who *is* the rightful AND VOTE-GETTING standard-bearer for progressives?
Who can do better then Senator Sanders in articulating progressive goals, and the reasons why women and other working people should support them? I am really interested to see who you might name… who can capture a commanding percentage of the Dem party vote, as well as peel away enough independents to deny Citrus Caligula another term, and capture enough congressional seats to put together an unstoppable, progressive House and Senate?
I really would like to know!
Oh, dear - is Bernie going to run again? Is Bernie going to collect money and votes and then turn them over to and bend the knee to whoever the "We are a private corporation and can nominate anyone we damn right well want to" has chosen? Again? Yes, Bernie sure does articulate very well, that is called campaign rhetoric. What is said is not important. What is done is the only thing that counts. Anyway, Bernie has already endorsed Biden for 2024, and I have no doubts that Bernie would support that bumbling horror of a politician, Kamala Harris. PLEASE spare us the equal horror of waxing enthusiastic about Harris, should Biden wander off a stage and get lost or whatever, by the way. Also, you may have more luck with your exhortations at a site like Free Republic, methinks.
It is not our job to carry slops for the Democrats. It may be your job. Too bad the Dems don't have a little back door into Substack, eh? Can't wait for the "This is the most important election of our lifetime" crapola. And - newsflash - the Democrat party despises progressives. It just uses them as sheepdogs. Ruff, ruff!
Genghis Khan could not have done a better job. Damn, but that was impressive.
Why, my pleasure.
Kind of strange how a dedicated Dem has never heard of Jake Sullivan, Antony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, or Lloyd Austin. Totally TDS, or just hack copy and pasting.
Instead of making huge surmises about where OP is "putting their energy"; maybe consider the fact that you are missing something. Not everyone has to perform doing the work in front of *you* to have been doing it.
I just saw your question, and I see other people have already answered in quite an admirable manner, so I won't repeat them.
I'll just add that you appear to be suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. He's not nearly as scary as Jake Sullivan, Antony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, or Lloyd Austin. They are all slavering, imperialist warmongers hellbent on establishing a global American Empire, when such a thing can never happen.
They are dangerously insane.
Donald Trump is a carnival barker who won the birthwealth lottery. He's a narcissist, but most carnival barkers are. He's not a Fascist; I doubt he even understands what it is. He's not nearly the warmonger Obama was or Biden is, and so far he has helped myself and my wife out financially by expanding the standard married tax deduction and $3600 in pandemic stimulus as opposed to Biden's reluctant $2800.
Not to mention that Joe Biden cost ME at least another $8000 with his bankruptcy "reform," and I have to retire next year instead of this year because he and others of his ilk raised the retirement age.
There is no way I would EVER vote for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. You had best hope Cornel West makes it on the ballot in Ohio, for if he does not and it's Trump v. Biden, I WILL vote for Donald Trump. I will never vote for a Democrat, any Democrat, again. I will vote for Republicans who are actually anti-nuclear war on that issue alone.
Because it is THE most important issue. Period.
Well, as I have never met or interviewed or otherwise developed a deep understanding of the people you mentioned, I can’t say how scary they are. Perhaps they are everything you say they are. I would have to have a very close understanding of each of them to conclude that they are all the things you say they are… and that would take many more hours than I have readily available for verifying or disagreeing.
I think you deeply underestimate the potential of Donald Trump to bring about exactly the outcome (nuclear war) that you fear the most. The man is not sane. You don’t have to take my word for it, you can just listen to or read his statements, unedited, to easily reach the same conclusion. In the words of Frank Zappa, he is “not wrapped tight.“ I fear him starting a nuclear war not for usually understood geopolitical reasons, but just because he didn’t get the love letter back from Kim Jong Un that he was expecting.
Again, I totally get the hate on neoliberalism and I share it… but doesn’t strike you that we are at least as neck deep in the shit if TFG somehow wins than if Biden prevails?
You’re just thinking in terms of stereotypes of Trump—you better hope the war-pigging “Democrats” lose in 24 because senile Jozef Biden is the truly insane one playing chicken with nukes, he’s a mindless puppet of deep state mass murderers
Stereotypes of Trump? Uh, no. His own open, public statements provide all the evidence anyone could want for his basic instability and insanity. It’s impossible to caricature somebody who is already a walking self- caricature.
He's a carnival barker playing to an audience. He's a lot of bluster.
You speak of instability and insanity. What is more unstable or insane than arming Ukrainians to fight a war against Russia that they can never possibly win? So Raytheon and Sisters profit? What is more evil than that?
Thank you for a thoughtful reply. The least I can do is give a thoughtful answer.
I really think we would be better off with Donald Trump than we are now, just because Trump really would end the Ukraine war(though I think Russia will end it well before the election) and really might take the US out of NATO.
We have to stop this insane foreign policy of trying to dominate the entire global population. We can't do it, and they've had enough. That's why they're ditching the dollar as the medium of foreign trade. That kills the American Empire right there. All going to war over it does is get us all killed.
You do see this existentially extreme situation that has forced me to these conclusions, don't you? Trump never did this. He also didn't pressure social media companies to censor people on anywhere near the scale the Biden Administration has done. I don't have to LIKE the SOB to say that.
Freedom of speech is the right from which all other rights flow, and it is Democrats who want to take that away from us now, not Republicans.
These are just facts, like saying the sun has a habit of setting in a westerly direction. I don't like them, but there they are just the same.
The dems have spewed so much of their 'raw hatred and contempt' for Russia and Putin, there is minimal leftover for the far right.
Republicans are low-hanging fruit, they’re just obvious —how many times and in how many ways can they be bashed? It gets boring. “Democrats” are supposed to be an alternative to “Republicans”—the ONLY alternative in our rigged system, they’re supposed to be different and better—that is why I hate them with the fire of 10,000 suns and with every fiber of my being—they are squatting in a space that needs to be filled by actual leftists—at least not Republicans in all but official label
Enjoy your vacation, OB. Tell me if there's anything good to see in Western NY, so I can migrate from SW PA next time when I'm not as physically limited. Both MrMickey's dad and I are knee injured, and I must say, physical therapy beats getting surgery, but it puts a damper on life. I want to get out again, but it ain't THIS summer!