Meanwhile, someone with a clear mind and who stands up against the apartheid state in Gaza who is also on (PA) Allegheny's county council was smeared by the Pittsburgh Tribune for showing support on Instagram to someone standing up for Palestinians. This shit is still in full swing, and the media is trying their best to double and triple down their commissioned lies. I just completed my response to this media water carrier... Don't expect to hear back from the so-called journalist. FUCK ISRAEL.
' ... if you fell for all the propaganda and supported Israel up until they went too far for you, when you finally turn on them you have nothing to lose by going straight to Israel delenda est ... '
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Ughh. I resemble that remark: I was a Christian Zionist for 56 years, from the sixth day of the Six-Day War (when I was seven) until the immediate aftermath of Hamas' October 7 attack.
The turning point, for me, was reporting by Ha'aretz and the Gray Zone debunking zionist claims of murdered babies and mass rapes. Then came the reports that many Israeli casualties died from friendly fire under the Hannibal Directive.
Once the Israeli bombing of Gaza civilians really got underway, I never looked back. The 'two-state solution' looked promising back in the day, but was never really in the cards, thanks mostly to zionist bad faith. The only solution now is for the Israelis to turn the land back over to its rightful owners and go make a life somewhere else. The obvious option would be the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the Russian far east: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
Unlike Palestine in the 1920s, the JAO really is kind of a thinly populated wilderness. The newcomers wouldn't be allowed to bring their nukes, obviously. They'd have to renounce zionist separatism, accept Russian law and treat their non-Jewish neighbors with respect. That seems a small price to pay to avoid the reckoning they face if they cling to their stolen property in Palestine.
It took some courage to post that here, on the thread of someone who had doubts about Israel since they attacked the USS Liberty when I was all of 8 years old, and decided Israel's existence was a terrible mistake by the late 1970s. Thanks for doing that.
What's important is that you applied your own values and DID see through it. And your solution is a practicable one--the Russians probably WOULD let them in, with conditions. Once the US cuts Israel off, I think it highly unlikely that any Administration which did that would welcome people who might be seeking revenge.
The pleasure is all mine. Eventually I'll write a full-length blog post: how I became a zionist, then stayed one for over a half-century.
Here's a teaser:
June 10, 1967, the sixth day of the war, was a Saturday. I spent summers on my grand parents' Arkansas cattle ranch. That day, all I really cared about was watching my beloved Saturday morning cartoons. But to my fury, they had all been canceled for breaking news reports from 'the Middle East,' wherever THAT was. Grandma, a very devout southern evangelical, eventually got tired of my pissing and moaning. She sat me down and told me a wonderful story. In paraphrase:
*A tiny nation - a refuge for the oppressed, surrounded by monstruous neighboring bullies - had taken them all on at once, and had beaten them fair and square. It wasn't supposed to happen like that. It was very big news, because had Israel not made such short work of it, it could have drawn in the US and USSR, and sparked a world war. So that's why your cartoons were canceled.*
She didn't mention the USS Liberty and I didn't learn about it for several years. By then the conventional wisdom was 'it was just a mistake.'
Israel Shahak's work was helpful getting me straightened out. So was Shlomo Sand's 'The Invention of the Jewish People.' I'm currently reading 'The Hundred Years' War on Palestine,' by Rashid Khalidi; I can't recommend it highly enough. It's passionate, but measured and rigorous.
Khalidi's is one of the best books on the subject. I only knew about the Liberty because my parents always had the--there was only one--TV on for the national news, and I just happened to see the report.
My dad was an acquaintance of LBJ's, so I asked him to ask him about it a couple of years later, because I never forgot the pictures when they came out in magazines. It WAS reported on.
He did ask, and never got an answer on that one, or at least wouldn't tell me. I know more about LBJ's reaction to the Kennedy assassination than I do the Liberty.
So it became a mystery. Nothing like a good mystery to keep a kid who likes history interested in such a subject.
Good update, will be linking it today as usual @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/. Good to see Greta supporting something a little bit more important than climate change, plus the fact she ruffled idiot Lindsey Graham's feathers. Nice Rommel pic
I live in Adam Smith's district. I'll be voting for Kshama Sawant.
Meanwhile, someone with a clear mind and who stands up against the apartheid state in Gaza who is also on (PA) Allegheny's county council was smeared by the Pittsburgh Tribune for showing support on Instagram to someone standing up for Palestinians. This shit is still in full swing, and the media is trying their best to double and triple down their commissioned lies. I just completed my response to this media water carrier... Don't expect to hear back from the so-called journalist. FUCK ISRAEL.
' ... if you fell for all the propaganda and supported Israel up until they went too far for you, when you finally turn on them you have nothing to lose by going straight to Israel delenda est ... '
-------------------
Ughh. I resemble that remark: I was a Christian Zionist for 56 years, from the sixth day of the Six-Day War (when I was seven) until the immediate aftermath of Hamas' October 7 attack.
The turning point, for me, was reporting by Ha'aretz and the Gray Zone debunking zionist claims of murdered babies and mass rapes. Then came the reports that many Israeli casualties died from friendly fire under the Hannibal Directive.
Once the Israeli bombing of Gaza civilians really got underway, I never looked back. The 'two-state solution' looked promising back in the day, but was never really in the cards, thanks mostly to zionist bad faith. The only solution now is for the Israelis to turn the land back over to its rightful owners and go make a life somewhere else. The obvious option would be the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the Russian far east: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
Unlike Palestine in the 1920s, the JAO really is kind of a thinly populated wilderness. The newcomers wouldn't be allowed to bring their nukes, obviously. They'd have to renounce zionist separatism, accept Russian law and treat their non-Jewish neighbors with respect. That seems a small price to pay to avoid the reckoning they face if they cling to their stolen property in Palestine.
It took some courage to post that here, on the thread of someone who had doubts about Israel since they attacked the USS Liberty when I was all of 8 years old, and decided Israel's existence was a terrible mistake by the late 1970s. Thanks for doing that.
What's important is that you applied your own values and DID see through it. And your solution is a practicable one--the Russians probably WOULD let them in, with conditions. Once the US cuts Israel off, I think it highly unlikely that any Administration which did that would welcome people who might be seeking revenge.
The pleasure is all mine. Eventually I'll write a full-length blog post: how I became a zionist, then stayed one for over a half-century.
Here's a teaser:
June 10, 1967, the sixth day of the war, was a Saturday. I spent summers on my grand parents' Arkansas cattle ranch. That day, all I really cared about was watching my beloved Saturday morning cartoons. But to my fury, they had all been canceled for breaking news reports from 'the Middle East,' wherever THAT was. Grandma, a very devout southern evangelical, eventually got tired of my pissing and moaning. She sat me down and told me a wonderful story. In paraphrase:
*A tiny nation - a refuge for the oppressed, surrounded by monstruous neighboring bullies - had taken them all on at once, and had beaten them fair and square. It wasn't supposed to happen like that. It was very big news, because had Israel not made such short work of it, it could have drawn in the US and USSR, and sparked a world war. So that's why your cartoons were canceled.*
She didn't mention the USS Liberty and I didn't learn about it for several years. By then the conventional wisdom was 'it was just a mistake.'
Israel Shahak's work was helpful getting me straightened out. So was Shlomo Sand's 'The Invention of the Jewish People.' I'm currently reading 'The Hundred Years' War on Palestine,' by Rashid Khalidi; I can't recommend it highly enough. It's passionate, but measured and rigorous.
Khalidi's is one of the best books on the subject. I only knew about the Liberty because my parents always had the--there was only one--TV on for the national news, and I just happened to see the report.
My dad was an acquaintance of LBJ's, so I asked him to ask him about it a couple of years later, because I never forgot the pictures when they came out in magazines. It WAS reported on.
He did ask, and never got an answer on that one, or at least wouldn't tell me. I know more about LBJ's reaction to the Kennedy assassination than I do the Liberty.
So it became a mystery. Nothing like a good mystery to keep a kid who likes history interested in such a subject.
Good update, will be linking it today as usual @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/. Good to see Greta supporting something a little bit more important than climate change, plus the fact she ruffled idiot Lindsey Graham's feathers. Nice Rommel pic
Thanks for noticing the color Rommel pic. That one took awhile to find.