The empire’s propaganda machine is broken.. only the fanatics believe in it.. if you haven’t been psyop-ed by it, then you still have the intellectual (& moral) capacity to see its naked aggression.
Incidentally, why is Jewishness an ‘ethnicity’ rather than a religion?? Yet another made-up thing.. just like chosen people, promised land, etc.. I can change my religion whenever I want (or discard it) but can I be an ethnic black African person if I wanted to?? I know I can change my gender at will (thanks to postmodern deconstructionism or somesuch nonsense..)
Do you know of anyone out there proclaiming that Islam is an ethnicity? Or Adventism or Calvinism as an ethnicity?? Or is it just the Jews..
There are ethnic markers on DNA tests for Jews as well as genetic diseases among some groups of Jews so there is an ethnic component. As to why not on other religions, I don't know. More conversions and less isolation perhaps?
That makes no scientific sense.. ‘narrative’ sense, maybe.. Jews come in all shapes and sizes and the gene pool has diversified throughout the centuries from a small Semitic tribe in west Asia.. a Yemeni jew and a blue-eyed Russian Jew do not have ‘ethnic markers’ that are similar and can identify their Jewishness.. plus, there are no genetic tests for markers that identify Jewishness.. and even in countries that identify Jews as an ethnicity, like, say the NHS in Britain, when you fill out a form to identify your ethnicity, you don’t have ‘Jewish’ as a separate ethnicity.. there is no ethnic category for Muslim either.. that falls under ‘religion’.
A test like 23 and me that lists ‘Jewish’ as an ethnic marker are rubbish.. because Jewish is NOT an ethnicity.. let’s say an Iraqi Muslim and Iraqi Jew were to take this genetic test.. the test would read ‘Jewish’ for one and ‘Muslim’ for the other? You’re describing narrative, hon.. not science. I get that’s what you’ve heard/read but it’s wrong.. here’s a link from a credible resource that refutes your (unexamined) claim:
‘Thus, in spite of considerable consanguinity, there is no Jewish genotype to identify.’
So, like I said, the whole ‘Jewish ethnicity’ is a fabrication just like ‘chosen people’, ‘promised land’, ‘most moral army’ and other hasbara talking points that have been lodged into the common undiscerning brain.. and it serves the whole Jewish supremacy narrative that is being peddled here.. we, as Jews, are genetically distinct. Why have these geneticists not tried to discern genetic exclusivity to any other religion? You will find psyops at every level of the ‘Jewish narrative’…
And clearly states upfront: ‘Jewishness is more difficult to identify in genetic testing than other ethnic groups. This is because there is no specific gene that makes a person Jewish. Straightforward DNA examination cannot conclusively tell a person whether or not they’re of Jewish descent or part of the Jewish population.’
But then goes on to contradict itself and state:
‘However, a DNA test kit can give you this information in other logical and accurate ways.’
This sounds to my mind like narrative fitting.. and we all know that Zionism has infected all walks of life..
I have no logical answer to your question. I don't think there is one. There are Jews of many different ethnic groups, from North African to Spanish to Ethiopian to Ashkenazi. I know Hasidic Jews have always been downright anti-Zionist.
Ashkenazi. The last 4 letters are supremely ironic, especially since that particular subgroup of Jewish groups is most responsible for what is happening now. But ethnically? Hell, they're closer relatives of the Ukrainians and Poles than they are to the lineage of Moses.
It's insane. It makes no sense. Just like war no longer makes sense.
Totally agree.. and my question was more rhetorical than anything. Just goes to show you the artificiality of the whole enterprise of Jewishness as an elevated category. They’re the only ones that get to designate their religion as an ethnicity and everyone nods along.. must be their chosen status 🤔
There are Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish genetic markers. They're called that because the people with the most of that DNA in them today identify as Jewish. That's where the category came from.
The Sephardic Jewish marker has a lot in common with Moorish, Berber, and other North African markers, which figures. The Ashkenazi is an Eastern European subgroup, which also figures.
Does that constitute an ethnicity? I don't know. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
What it does do is give people a clue about their ancestors. My stepson has an Ashkenazi Jewish marker, but since he's a solid 1/3rd Eastern European that also figures.
Again, it’s based on the number of people alive today who participated in DNA testing in certain regions, and they do correlate ethnicities with what people identify as. Sometimes, they get it wrong, and the science behind it is still developing. I think it’s fascinating to watch.
I had an Ancestry DNA test a few years ago. I KNOW I’m descended from French people who settled in Quebec in 1638. There’s a paper trail. There’s even a paper trail going back a century more than that.
Yet, Ancestry showed me as having no French whatsoever for years. This year, they updated their model and I’m 4% French, which is about right considering the number of generations involved.
I don’t think there’s any nefarious conspiracy at work here, and if there is the science will eventually make the conspiracists look silly indeed.
Ah. OK. No, genetic markers cannot tell you whether or not one of your ancestors was of the Jewish faith, no. But Sephardic and Ashkenazi markers do exist. They’re like “Early Appalachian Settlers.” They are a marker that a subgroup of people share.
All it really means genetically is that they had ancestors who lived in the same place, and often they had migrated themselves a few generations earlier.
So Sephardic Jew or Ashkenazi Jew is a lie if you think that means they all practiced Judaism. The odds are some of them did, but that’s like saying if you have an “Early Kentucky Settlers” you’re ultimately descended from somebody from Scotland or Northern Ireland. It doesn’t mean they had to be Protestant.
Does that make any sense? I’m not a geneticist, but I did read some of their explanations.
What has been frustrating for me is that many writers I follow on Substack who write on cultural issues or feminism/gender ideology have decided to wade in on the Israel-Palestine conflict. I agree that they have a right to speak freely, but their pro Israel arguments are so weak: Israel had no choice after October but to bomb civilians; and Hamas are terrorists so it is OK to bomb civilians.
After the 1972 Munich Olympic terrorist attacks Israel did not bomb Palestinians for one year. And a pretty good argument can be made that the IDF are terrorists too as they deliberately target civilians as well.
Lastly, we need to remember all the other zones of conflict such as Burma (civil war between the military and the people), Congo, Sudan, Syria and Yemen all exacerbated by other nations . May my brothers and sisters all be safe in their homes one day.
It is sad that there are too many wars going on to address them all at once. All are ultimately about resources, and above all the profits which can be extracted from them.
All this suffering over money. It's crazy, and completely unnecessary.
When will we learn that war is no longer evolutionarily viable? We must find another way to resolve our differences or we will quite deservedly become extinct.
These murders are instigated by CIA AND and the Oligarchy of US and International interests. If we had let them be a hundred years ago, they'd most likely be living in a peace of sorts, not what's going on now.
If you dig deep enough you'll find that the CIA and State Dept. that work for the Oligarchy are stirring up all the conflicts.
I haven't. In fact, I mentioned Maui within the last couple of weeks. There are so many examples I can't remember them all all of the time, which says something about our society.
It may also say something about my memory. I'm 66, and it's not what it was, that's for sure.
Thank you for capturing the ongoing upheaval.....which I attribute in the macro sense to the transition from hegemony to multi-polarity. Over the past few days I watched some 2021 presentations by Stephen Wertheim (TOMORROW THE WORLD) who has identified the US policy-makers/influencers decision made in 1940 as the beginning of the post WWII world order and US hegemony. But post Soviet Union collapse, Wertheim attributes the decision for US exceptionalism/world hegemony was again caralyzed and characterizes that since the 1990s, global conflicts have accelerated more than any other period in US history. But anyway, this is a great site - journalism repository to observe/share ongoing catastrophe which I fear will get worse before it gets better. I read/appreciate every participant/fellow traveler in this substack journey. Which brings me to concern potentially off topic - any news on a favorite fellow participant djean?
Not yet. She was not in a flood zone, had sturdy shelters nearby, and I think lives on the northern side of Tampa. The eye of the storm missed the city to the south, so the odds are she's all right.
There are still 3 million people down there without power, however, and I'm sure she's one of them.
The empire’s propaganda machine is broken.. only the fanatics believe in it.. if you haven’t been psyop-ed by it, then you still have the intellectual (& moral) capacity to see its naked aggression.
Incidentally, why is Jewishness an ‘ethnicity’ rather than a religion?? Yet another made-up thing.. just like chosen people, promised land, etc.. I can change my religion whenever I want (or discard it) but can I be an ethnic black African person if I wanted to?? I know I can change my gender at will (thanks to postmodern deconstructionism or somesuch nonsense..)
Do you know of anyone out there proclaiming that Islam is an ethnicity? Or Adventism or Calvinism as an ethnicity?? Or is it just the Jews..
There is an ethnic component because of endogamy.
Well, that applies to the Muslims as well and they’re not considered an ethnicity.. or the Mormons, for that matter.
There are ethnic markers on DNA tests for Jews as well as genetic diseases among some groups of Jews so there is an ethnic component. As to why not on other religions, I don't know. More conversions and less isolation perhaps?
That makes no scientific sense.. ‘narrative’ sense, maybe.. Jews come in all shapes and sizes and the gene pool has diversified throughout the centuries from a small Semitic tribe in west Asia.. a Yemeni jew and a blue-eyed Russian Jew do not have ‘ethnic markers’ that are similar and can identify their Jewishness.. plus, there are no genetic tests for markers that identify Jewishness.. and even in countries that identify Jews as an ethnicity, like, say the NHS in Britain, when you fill out a form to identify your ethnicity, you don’t have ‘Jewish’ as a separate ethnicity.. there is no ethnic category for Muslim either.. that falls under ‘religion’.
You asked why is it considered an ethnicity and I'm telling you the reasons I'm aware of. Tests like " 23 and me" list Jewish as a result.
The genetic markers might not appear for all Jews but they do for some.
A test like 23 and me that lists ‘Jewish’ as an ethnic marker are rubbish.. because Jewish is NOT an ethnicity.. let’s say an Iraqi Muslim and Iraqi Jew were to take this genetic test.. the test would read ‘Jewish’ for one and ‘Muslim’ for the other? You’re describing narrative, hon.. not science. I get that’s what you’ve heard/read but it’s wrong.. here’s a link from a credible resource that refutes your (unexamined) claim:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301023/
‘Thus, in spite of considerable consanguinity, there is no Jewish genotype to identify.’
So, like I said, the whole ‘Jewish ethnicity’ is a fabrication just like ‘chosen people’, ‘promised land’, ‘most moral army’ and other hasbara talking points that have been lodged into the common undiscerning brain.. and it serves the whole Jewish supremacy narrative that is being peddled here.. we, as Jews, are genetically distinct. Why have these geneticists not tried to discern genetic exclusivity to any other religion? You will find psyops at every level of the ‘Jewish narrative’…
Here’s another blog on the topic:
https://sequencing.com/blog/post/can-dna-test-identify-jewish-ancestry#
And clearly states upfront: ‘Jewishness is more difficult to identify in genetic testing than other ethnic groups. This is because there is no specific gene that makes a person Jewish. Straightforward DNA examination cannot conclusively tell a person whether or not they’re of Jewish descent or part of the Jewish population.’
But then goes on to contradict itself and state:
‘However, a DNA test kit can give you this information in other logical and accurate ways.’
This sounds to my mind like narrative fitting.. and we all know that Zionism has infected all walks of life..
I have no logical answer to your question. I don't think there is one. There are Jews of many different ethnic groups, from North African to Spanish to Ethiopian to Ashkenazi. I know Hasidic Jews have always been downright anti-Zionist.
Ashkenazi. The last 4 letters are supremely ironic, especially since that particular subgroup of Jewish groups is most responsible for what is happening now. But ethnically? Hell, they're closer relatives of the Ukrainians and Poles than they are to the lineage of Moses.
It's insane. It makes no sense. Just like war no longer makes sense.
Totally agree.. and my question was more rhetorical than anything. Just goes to show you the artificiality of the whole enterprise of Jewishness as an elevated category. They’re the only ones that get to designate their religion as an ethnicity and everyone nods along.. must be their chosen status 🤔
There are Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish genetic markers. They're called that because the people with the most of that DNA in them today identify as Jewish. That's where the category came from.
The Sephardic Jewish marker has a lot in common with Moorish, Berber, and other North African markers, which figures. The Ashkenazi is an Eastern European subgroup, which also figures.
Does that constitute an ethnicity? I don't know. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
What it does do is give people a clue about their ancestors. My stepson has an Ashkenazi Jewish marker, but since he's a solid 1/3rd Eastern European that also figures.
Again, it’s based on the number of people alive today who participated in DNA testing in certain regions, and they do correlate ethnicities with what people identify as. Sometimes, they get it wrong, and the science behind it is still developing. I think it’s fascinating to watch.
I had an Ancestry DNA test a few years ago. I KNOW I’m descended from French people who settled in Quebec in 1638. There’s a paper trail. There’s even a paper trail going back a century more than that.
Yet, Ancestry showed me as having no French whatsoever for years. This year, they updated their model and I’m 4% French, which is about right considering the number of generations involved.
I don’t think there’s any nefarious conspiracy at work here, and if there is the science will eventually make the conspiracists look silly indeed.
Again, I refer you to this research:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301023/
Punchline is: Genetic markers cannot determine Jewish descent
There are no Sephardic and Ashkenazi genetic markers.. does not exist.
Ah. OK. No, genetic markers cannot tell you whether or not one of your ancestors was of the Jewish faith, no. But Sephardic and Ashkenazi markers do exist. They’re like “Early Appalachian Settlers.” They are a marker that a subgroup of people share.
All it really means genetically is that they had ancestors who lived in the same place, and often they had migrated themselves a few generations earlier.
So Sephardic Jew or Ashkenazi Jew is a lie if you think that means they all practiced Judaism. The odds are some of them did, but that’s like saying if you have an “Early Kentucky Settlers” you’re ultimately descended from somebody from Scotland or Northern Ireland. It doesn’t mean they had to be Protestant.
Does that make any sense? I’m not a geneticist, but I did read some of their explanations.
Excellent article summarizing the two conflicts.
What has been frustrating for me is that many writers I follow on Substack who write on cultural issues or feminism/gender ideology have decided to wade in on the Israel-Palestine conflict. I agree that they have a right to speak freely, but their pro Israel arguments are so weak: Israel had no choice after October but to bomb civilians; and Hamas are terrorists so it is OK to bomb civilians.
After the 1972 Munich Olympic terrorist attacks Israel did not bomb Palestinians for one year. And a pretty good argument can be made that the IDF are terrorists too as they deliberately target civilians as well.
Lastly, we need to remember all the other zones of conflict such as Burma (civil war between the military and the people), Congo, Sudan, Syria and Yemen all exacerbated by other nations . May my brothers and sisters all be safe in their homes one day.
It is sad that there are too many wars going on to address them all at once. All are ultimately about resources, and above all the profits which can be extracted from them.
All this suffering over money. It's crazy, and completely unnecessary.
When will we learn that war is no longer evolutionarily viable? We must find another way to resolve our differences or we will quite deservedly become extinct.
These murders are instigated by CIA AND and the Oligarchy of US and International interests. If we had let them be a hundred years ago, they'd most likely be living in a peace of sorts, not what's going on now.
If you dig deep enough you'll find that the CIA and State Dept. that work for the Oligarchy are stirring up all the conflicts.
Yes and those agencies are run by psychopaths and sociopaths, depending on the mission they’re assigned
I'm all in for extermination of those bringing us to the brink of nuclear Armageddon. If only I believed in capitol punishment.
Don’t forget Lahaina in the list of neglect.
I haven't. In fact, I mentioned Maui within the last couple of weeks. There are so many examples I can't remember them all all of the time, which says something about our society.
It may also say something about my memory. I'm 66, and it's not what it was, that's for sure.
PERFECT POST
Thank you for capturing the ongoing upheaval.....which I attribute in the macro sense to the transition from hegemony to multi-polarity. Over the past few days I watched some 2021 presentations by Stephen Wertheim (TOMORROW THE WORLD) who has identified the US policy-makers/influencers decision made in 1940 as the beginning of the post WWII world order and US hegemony. But post Soviet Union collapse, Wertheim attributes the decision for US exceptionalism/world hegemony was again caralyzed and characterizes that since the 1990s, global conflicts have accelerated more than any other period in US history. But anyway, this is a great site - journalism repository to observe/share ongoing catastrophe which I fear will get worse before it gets better. I read/appreciate every participant/fellow traveler in this substack journey. Which brings me to concern potentially off topic - any news on a favorite fellow participant djean?
Not yet. She was not in a flood zone, had sturdy shelters nearby, and I think lives on the northern side of Tampa. The eye of the storm missed the city to the south, so the odds are she's all right.
There are still 3 million people down there without power, however, and I'm sure she's one of them.
well said