Don't forget who's paying for this - us. I don't know how many billions we've sent to Israel, but I know the US has sent $300 billion to Ukraine since 2014.
Imagine the decent retirement we could have if that money was spent on the US instead of infinite wars.
$3.8 billion per year, every year ... plus the billions we are shoveling over there now. Heck 2,000-pound bombs to drop on starving kids ain't cheap ... someone has to pay for 'em. Might as well be you!
And as i pointed out today,biden does not seem to interact too often with congress about izreel gifts. Does congress understand their job? Does genocide jo? Living on ss and need major dental work but glad zioville has free healthcare. No wonder brooklyn relocated.
I do. I see the Portland metropolitan area every day. I was an adult in the 70s and don't recall seeing homeless people or people begging. The US government has forgotten its citizens.
(Adjusted for 2022 currency values) Israel has received about 300 billion US $ since 1947.
And in return, (also adjusted to 2022 values) Israel has purchased about 200 billion of US weaponry,-"aid" to Israel is largely a subsidy to the US defense industry
If you want to see some support for Palestine? Give them gift certificates for Raytheon & the other usual suspects...
The number for Ukraine are actually closer to 600 billion if you consider the project to stress/suborn/balkanize and plunder the Russian Federation/lands of the old USSR as going back to 2004, the cash flow definitely was already well under way at that time (although the games opening moves started long before that, under Bush the Elder who said "we won, now we FINISH THEM" when asked about such things as "peace dividends", cutting military spending to put more into social programs/infrastructure & their countries NATO support spending % of economy now being superfluous by the French & Germans)
I feel like this was the plan all along. And I wrote/vlogged about it. But you may have a point, maybe it really was as simple as them killing the wrong house slave.
For the most part, this is quite good. It seems like there is something here that says either the subject individual whomever that is must see the Palestinians as "other" or else see them as really just ordinary human beings. I think Israelis are sometimes seeing palesitians as some sort of sub-humans. Obviously, the celebrity chef did not buy into that, since he apparently rushed straight to Gaza. So, that man rushed straight into Gaza thinkg that Palestine humans are just regular humans. Which they my be... and there lies the problem. The whole of the WORLD does NOT (and should not!) buy the dehumanization of a group, a group which is not actually sub-human at all. Just under really bad leaders (Hamas).
What do we actually know about Hamas? We know they provided governance, including coordinating aid, schooling, agriculture, policing in Palestine. We know they’ve led the resistance to an occupying force. We know they tried to capture hostages to use in a hostage exchange. Honestly, I really don’t know anything else besides what I have been told by a media I have no reason to trust and two governments who have lied, lied, and lied again. Were atrocities committed on Oct 7? Yes. But it’s not clear that Hamas committed those atrocities, as reports from the Kibbutz’s reported there were a lot of people not in uniform committing crimes - Hamas as an army quite possibly wasn’t responsible for anything more that attacking military personnel and taking hostages (a war crime, to be sure. One Israel does under cover of ‘law.’
One man’s terrorists is another man’s freedom fighter. And I am not sure we know enough about Hamas to know if they are ‘bad’ or what a ‘good’ government in Gaza would look like.
I understand that Hamas has the persons in their territory under an iron fist. Anybody can correct me on this. So, it was a Hamas operation 100%. I remember when Hamas originally appeared. It was for me not that long ago although probably twenty years.
Reports from the Kibbutzim were that a lot of ‘civilians’ from Palestine followed the military through the fences. Which makes more sense than a military force on a mission taking their time to start rampaging.
I saw the Hamas video of the "paragliders." I thought that was pretty horrible. I think Hamas tells the Palestinians what to do. What is "objective" when it comes to Israel? Very difficult to be objective about it. Lots of different views. I am glad to give my views. I you don't like it, I am Bob Dylan (eye roll).
Jacob - it’s possible that Hamas tells the Palestinians what to do. That’s what governments do. But - my question here is really about ‘governance.’ Hamas was the provisional authority in Palestine. Military and policing would be only a portion of what a governmental authority would be responsible for - governmental authorities are also responsible for the operation of civil society; roads, building, services etc. It’s possible that they were awful at all of that, but still, it would have been in their mandate - AND there were roads, infrastructure, homes, farms, and businesses (civil society) in Gaza. Right now, they are being presented as ONLY a terrorist force - so, the government person responsible for ordering tar to pave a road is NOW being presented as a ‘Hamas Terrorist’ (justifying the mass murder of anyone who worked in government doing any thing from paving a road to issuing a parking ticket.)
You could absolutely be right about that. Hamas might be made of the very worst people in the world. But - they constituted the government of this region, and as such, were not JUST ‘terrorists’ or jihadists or whatever. I want to re-iterated that what happened on Oct 7 was horrific, but - I honestly only know about Hamas what the US and Israel are saying about them.
Hamas was funded and supported with Israeli intelligence against their political rivals by Mossad as a religious based counter and spoiler to diminish the secular, socialist PLO (which includes a fair number of non Muslim religious people as well as agnostics & atheists). Which worked very well, the PLO is pretty moribund right now. In acknowledged funding, the Israeli government has given Hamas at least 2.5 billion US $, plus invaluable intelligence vs. any political rivals they faced while being built up.
This kind of operation with state intelligence agencies front running & controlling any trends towards creation of opposition groups has a long history. Al Queda and ISIS both got their startup funding with help from the CIA- Who also bankrolled and oversaw the creation of the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) in USA, back in the day.
and they try to keep that secret. It is like a whole unseen "crime world" they say is healthier for us not to know about. That means it should be shattered a/s/a/p. I understand there is this sort of international "corrupt" system. Biden and Hunter played in it. It rules in the backrooms, everywhere you go. Even in literary circles, there is a requirement for a certain sort of clique formation, which will help down the line in getting pubished.
Hamas isn't all that different from the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. The one thing most of us don't know about them is that they recognized Israel's right to exist when they gained power in Gaza in 2017, I think.
They are a political party with a paramilitary wing our government calls terrorist. They only won elections because the PLO was notoriously corrupt.
Just remember how quickly the ANC went from terrorist group to responsible political party after we decided to no longer tolerate South African apartheid. Hamas would be no different.
I do not quite agree with the Ohio Barbarian (why is that name still there?) But the thing that sticks out here for me is where you say how "notoriously" corrupt the PLO is or was. Then why would Hamas be so much better than the PLO?
And sadly, the ANC is also now claimed to be "notoriously corrupt". Not that I can know if that's a reality, I've never been to or done business with S. Africa.
The ANC is most certainly not a responsible political party. The last 30 years of their majority rule has decimated South Africa. State owned enterprises have failed - including the generation of sufficient electricity to meet demand, infrastructure has not been maintained, crime has spiraled out of control, education standards have plummeted and the economy has stagnated at about 0.7% growth. Much like a neo liberal utopia, more or less what the world is steering towards.
Brilliant stuff, OB. Cannot help but think, though, that this particular outrage will be the end of Netenyahoo, if even that. Once he is gone, replaced by some other blood soaked member of his coalition of savages, our betters will fall right back in line behind the textbook genocide, having exacted their pound of (political) flesh. Will be overjoyed to be wrong.
Oh, that's the plan. They'll say Netanyahu's an aberration, but he has been prominent in Israeli politics for over 40 years. 75% of Israelis totally approve of ethnically cleansing Gaza.
Zionists like to say Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Well, if it is, then the majority of Israelis themselves are complicit in genocide. This is what happens when a really twisted ideology, be it Nazism or Japanese Supremacy or Stalinism or whatever the fuck Pol Pot was, dominates a country.
I wonder if Israel will ever repent in the way Germans have. Germany is in a peculiar position now - there has been some 70 years if remorse; and it has been sincere remorse. Now, German lives in such shame over the holocaust, it is psychologically and politically unable to respond to Israel’s holocaust.
Right on. I think that all along the plan was to let Israel dig its own grave so that the U. S. empire could take hold of more power in the Middle East.
Good article OB! If one rich guy can create this ripple, even if for selfish reasons, as his employees were killed, imagine if a lot of rich guys like him take a stand against the Zionists! Things can change! The politicians just count the money. If someone pays more than the Zionists, the politicians will happily reverse course. The Zionists & their agendas can be ignored & trashed. The politicians will walk in the direction their new owners tell them to. If all the like-minded rich trillionaires want, they can move the world in the right direction & influence change. Unfortunately this is wishful thinking. Why would they? What’s in it for them? “Humanity” , “Doing the right thing” etc are not good enough answers to those questions!
And yet as we speak agents of the U.S ZOG are shooting down Iranian drones sent in retaliation from the Zionist entity's attack on the Iranian embassy in Syria.
I had heard about the food people being shot. I didn't know that it had blown up into a big to-do. Or that it being blown up into a big to-do was, not because of the atrocious nature of the act itself, but because of the contacts of the slave-owner.
Simply infuriating.
Stuff like this is why, as a business owner, I simply don't want to employ people. I can't stand how the US treats employees, and the two faced labor laws. I don't want to participate in it, at all.
I am an employee and I resemble that remark. Personally, I think we need to move past an economic system with an employer/employee relationship. That's what Lenin & Trotsky didn't do anything about and then adopted for themselves later, with them in the employer's seat, of course.
It's why the Russian Revolution failed to actually replace capitalism, and why Stalin was able to seize power for himself.
“We love Israel but Netanyahu’s gone too far and this slaughter must stop because now he’s killing worthy victims in the service of our own. He must be put in his place.”
I can just about imagine Marie Antoinette saying something along these lines before she uttered, "Let them eat cake!" Rich folks get all bent out of shape when they can't have their fancy foods whipped up by award-winning chefs. SIGH.
In the 2015 Kunduz, Afghanistan, hospital attack, a U.S. AC-130 fired 211 105 mm howitzer shells into a Doctors Without Borders hospital over a period of about an hour. Not only was the hospital on the U.S. “no-strike” list and clearly marked as a hospital, but Doctors Without Border managed to contact the U.S. military 12 minutes into the strike to attempt to call it off—to no effect. An internal U.S. military investigation later concluded that the attack was “the direct result of avoidable human error, compounded by process and equipment.
Don't forget who's paying for this - us. I don't know how many billions we've sent to Israel, but I know the US has sent $300 billion to Ukraine since 2014.
Imagine the decent retirement we could have if that money was spent on the US instead of infinite wars.
$3.8 billion per year, every year ... plus the billions we are shoveling over there now. Heck 2,000-pound bombs to drop on starving kids ain't cheap ... someone has to pay for 'em. Might as well be you!
And as i pointed out today,biden does not seem to interact too often with congress about izreel gifts. Does congress understand their job? Does genocide jo? Living on ss and need major dental work but glad zioville has free healthcare. No wonder brooklyn relocated.
Imagine all the people who could live inside instead of on the streets. Imagine all the people who could eat good food every day.
I do. I see the Portland metropolitan area every day. I was an adult in the 70s and don't recall seeing homeless people or people begging. The US government has forgotten its citizens.
@jbnw
From the Council on Foreign Relations:
(Adjusted for 2022 currency values) Israel has received about 300 billion US $ since 1947.
And in return, (also adjusted to 2022 values) Israel has purchased about 200 billion of US weaponry,-"aid" to Israel is largely a subsidy to the US defense industry
If you want to see some support for Palestine? Give them gift certificates for Raytheon & the other usual suspects...
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
The number for Ukraine are actually closer to 600 billion if you consider the project to stress/suborn/balkanize and plunder the Russian Federation/lands of the old USSR as going back to 2004, the cash flow definitely was already well under way at that time (although the games opening moves started long before that, under Bush the Elder who said "we won, now we FINISH THEM" when asked about such things as "peace dividends", cutting military spending to put more into social programs/infrastructure & their countries NATO support spending % of economy now being superfluous by the French & Germans)
I feel like this was the plan all along. And I wrote/vlogged about it. But you may have a point, maybe it really was as simple as them killing the wrong house slave.
For the most part, this is quite good. It seems like there is something here that says either the subject individual whomever that is must see the Palestinians as "other" or else see them as really just ordinary human beings. I think Israelis are sometimes seeing palesitians as some sort of sub-humans. Obviously, the celebrity chef did not buy into that, since he apparently rushed straight to Gaza. So, that man rushed straight into Gaza thinkg that Palestine humans are just regular humans. Which they my be... and there lies the problem. The whole of the WORLD does NOT (and should not!) buy the dehumanization of a group, a group which is not actually sub-human at all. Just under really bad leaders (Hamas).
What do we actually know about Hamas? We know they provided governance, including coordinating aid, schooling, agriculture, policing in Palestine. We know they’ve led the resistance to an occupying force. We know they tried to capture hostages to use in a hostage exchange. Honestly, I really don’t know anything else besides what I have been told by a media I have no reason to trust and two governments who have lied, lied, and lied again. Were atrocities committed on Oct 7? Yes. But it’s not clear that Hamas committed those atrocities, as reports from the Kibbutz’s reported there were a lot of people not in uniform committing crimes - Hamas as an army quite possibly wasn’t responsible for anything more that attacking military personnel and taking hostages (a war crime, to be sure. One Israel does under cover of ‘law.’
One man’s terrorists is another man’s freedom fighter. And I am not sure we know enough about Hamas to know if they are ‘bad’ or what a ‘good’ government in Gaza would look like.
I understand that Hamas has the persons in their territory under an iron fist. Anybody can correct me on this. So, it was a Hamas operation 100%. I remember when Hamas originally appeared. It was for me not that long ago although probably twenty years.
Reports from the Kibbutzim were that a lot of ‘civilians’ from Palestine followed the military through the fences. Which makes more sense than a military force on a mission taking their time to start rampaging.
Ok (((Jacob))) I am sure you are objective on this (eye roll).
I saw the Hamas video of the "paragliders." I thought that was pretty horrible. I think Hamas tells the Palestinians what to do. What is "objective" when it comes to Israel? Very difficult to be objective about it. Lots of different views. I am glad to give my views. I you don't like it, I am Bob Dylan (eye roll).
Jacob - it’s possible that Hamas tells the Palestinians what to do. That’s what governments do. But - my question here is really about ‘governance.’ Hamas was the provisional authority in Palestine. Military and policing would be only a portion of what a governmental authority would be responsible for - governmental authorities are also responsible for the operation of civil society; roads, building, services etc. It’s possible that they were awful at all of that, but still, it would have been in their mandate - AND there were roads, infrastructure, homes, farms, and businesses (civil society) in Gaza. Right now, they are being presented as ONLY a terrorist force - so, the government person responsible for ordering tar to pave a road is NOW being presented as a ‘Hamas Terrorist’ (justifying the mass murder of anyone who worked in government doing any thing from paving a road to issuing a parking ticket.)
You could absolutely be right about that. Hamas might be made of the very worst people in the world. But - they constituted the government of this region, and as such, were not JUST ‘terrorists’ or jihadists or whatever. I want to re-iterated that what happened on Oct 7 was horrific, but - I honestly only know about Hamas what the US and Israel are saying about them.
@jacob Silverman
Hamas was funded and supported with Israeli intelligence against their political rivals by Mossad as a religious based counter and spoiler to diminish the secular, socialist PLO (which includes a fair number of non Muslim religious people as well as agnostics & atheists). Which worked very well, the PLO is pretty moribund right now. In acknowledged funding, the Israeli government has given Hamas at least 2.5 billion US $, plus invaluable intelligence vs. any political rivals they faced while being built up.
https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/how-israel-went-helping-create-hamas-bombing-it-718378
This kind of operation with state intelligence agencies front running & controlling any trends towards creation of opposition groups has a long history. Al Queda and ISIS both got their startup funding with help from the CIA- Who also bankrolled and oversaw the creation of the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) in USA, back in the day.
and they try to keep that secret. It is like a whole unseen "crime world" they say is healthier for us not to know about. That means it should be shattered a/s/a/p. I understand there is this sort of international "corrupt" system. Biden and Hunter played in it. It rules in the backrooms, everywhere you go. Even in literary circles, there is a requirement for a certain sort of clique formation, which will help down the line in getting pubished.
Hamas isn't all that different from the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. The one thing most of us don't know about them is that they recognized Israel's right to exist when they gained power in Gaza in 2017, I think.
They are a political party with a paramilitary wing our government calls terrorist. They only won elections because the PLO was notoriously corrupt.
Just remember how quickly the ANC went from terrorist group to responsible political party after we decided to no longer tolerate South African apartheid. Hamas would be no different.
I do not quite agree with the Ohio Barbarian (why is that name still there?) But the thing that sticks out here for me is where you say how "notoriously" corrupt the PLO is or was. Then why would Hamas be so much better than the PLO?
@Ohio Barbarian
And sadly, the ANC is also now claimed to be "notoriously corrupt". Not that I can know if that's a reality, I've never been to or done business with S. Africa.
The ANC is most certainly not a responsible political party. The last 30 years of their majority rule has decimated South Africa. State owned enterprises have failed - including the generation of sufficient electricity to meet demand, infrastructure has not been maintained, crime has spiraled out of control, education standards have plummeted and the economy has stagnated at about 0.7% growth. Much like a neo liberal utopia, more or less what the world is steering towards.
Have you seen this?
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/27/us-state-depts-chef-gaza-aid-rubble/
No, but I will when I get some time. Thanks!
We can't afford to be divided, that's for sure.
Brilliant stuff, OB. Cannot help but think, though, that this particular outrage will be the end of Netenyahoo, if even that. Once he is gone, replaced by some other blood soaked member of his coalition of savages, our betters will fall right back in line behind the textbook genocide, having exacted their pound of (political) flesh. Will be overjoyed to be wrong.
Oh, that's the plan. They'll say Netanyahu's an aberration, but he has been prominent in Israeli politics for over 40 years. 75% of Israelis totally approve of ethnically cleansing Gaza.
Zionists like to say Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Well, if it is, then the majority of Israelis themselves are complicit in genocide. This is what happens when a really twisted ideology, be it Nazism or Japanese Supremacy or Stalinism or whatever the fuck Pol Pot was, dominates a country.
Sure, Netanyahu's got to go, but so does Zionism.
I wonder if Israel will ever repent in the way Germans have. Germany is in a peculiar position now - there has been some 70 years if remorse; and it has been sincere remorse. Now, German lives in such shame over the holocaust, it is psychologically and politically unable to respond to Israel’s holocaust.
My sentiments exactly. Thank you.
Right on. I think that all along the plan was to let Israel dig its own grave so that the U. S. empire could take hold of more power in the Middle East.
Good article OB! If one rich guy can create this ripple, even if for selfish reasons, as his employees were killed, imagine if a lot of rich guys like him take a stand against the Zionists! Things can change! The politicians just count the money. If someone pays more than the Zionists, the politicians will happily reverse course. The Zionists & their agendas can be ignored & trashed. The politicians will walk in the direction their new owners tell them to. If all the like-minded rich trillionaires want, they can move the world in the right direction & influence change. Unfortunately this is wishful thinking. Why would they? What’s in it for them? “Humanity” , “Doing the right thing” etc are not good enough answers to those questions!
Karma is THE nastiest little witch you will ever deal with:
And:
She is
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Get your track shoes on Bibi :
You’re gonna need them!
Yes let the Jews in Israel dig through the rubble looking for their dead children for a change.
And yet as we speak agents of the U.S ZOG are shooting down Iranian drones sent in retaliation from the Zionist entity's attack on the Iranian embassy in Syria.
God fuck the Jews!
The Electronic Intafada had an interesting piece on the World Kitchen and what role they appeared to have been playing:
"How World Central Kitchen Serves Israel’s Genocidal Agenda"
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/how-world-central-kitchen-serves-israels-genocidal-agenda
I had heard about the food people being shot. I didn't know that it had blown up into a big to-do. Or that it being blown up into a big to-do was, not because of the atrocious nature of the act itself, but because of the contacts of the slave-owner.
Simply infuriating.
Stuff like this is why, as a business owner, I simply don't want to employ people. I can't stand how the US treats employees, and the two faced labor laws. I don't want to participate in it, at all.
I am an employee and I resemble that remark. Personally, I think we need to move past an economic system with an employer/employee relationship. That's what Lenin & Trotsky didn't do anything about and then adopted for themselves later, with them in the employer's seat, of course.
It's why the Russian Revolution failed to actually replace capitalism, and why Stalin was able to seize power for himself.
“We love Israel but Netanyahu’s gone too far and this slaughter must stop because now he’s killing worthy victims in the service of our own. He must be put in his place.”
I can just about imagine Marie Antoinette saying something along these lines before she uttered, "Let them eat cake!" Rich folks get all bent out of shape when they can't have their fancy foods whipped up by award-winning chefs. SIGH.
Thanks for the article! I just knew he was highly connected based on the response, but I'm glad someone laid it out plainly
Can’t you find a connection? The story:
In the 2015 Kunduz, Afghanistan, hospital attack, a U.S. AC-130 fired 211 105 mm howitzer shells into a Doctors Without Borders hospital over a period of about an hour. Not only was the hospital on the U.S. “no-strike” list and clearly marked as a hospital, but Doctors Without Border managed to contact the U.S. military 12 minutes into the strike to attempt to call it off—to no effect. An internal U.S. military investigation later concluded that the attack was “the direct result of avoidable human error, compounded by process and equipment.
Sh—t happens, unfortunately.
No, I believe the US deliberately attacked the Doctors Without Borders hospital. They were defying the Empire, and had to be taught a lesson.