Canadians and Americans have to get past the notion electing new prime ministers and presidents is going to solve anything. The party system in both countries is dead in the water. The choice is between the devil we know vs the one we don't . There has to be fundamental change in how we do politics and the first step forward is rescuing our democracies and this can only happen after peace and civility are restored .
Looking forward to your follow up analysis on West's motivations. I disengaged from politics for 16+ years. This Dore interview makes me want to do that again. My head knows that electoral politics are basically meaningless but my heart let in hope that "maybe this time..."
Thanks for this piece. It's been maddening that Dore is unable to get on Twitter to comment about the interview. What a coincidence his account was hacked right when this West episode came out.
It was? I didn't know about the Twitter hack, probably because they banned me a couple of months ago, and I haven't missed the place enough to create another account.
But thanks for that information. After Dore told West he sounded like he was taking advice from a liberal infiltrator, well, just another thing that makes me go "Hmmm..."
You're telling me! I'm not super knowledgeable about Twitter, but as of now, no new posts. It seems like his account posted a lot in the past, so the absence is notable. Trust me I keep checking just to find people I can commiserate with.
Actually, Biden has tried to meaningfully address student loans and student debt forgiveness. Though his first, most ambitious plan was overturned by Trump’s pet Supreme Court after litigation by members of the latter lunatic’s party, the current administration is trying to get at least something done on this even now. See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/02/biden-student-debt-loan-save-plan .
No, ACTUALLY, Biden's handlers made sure Biden tried to forgive the debt in such a manner it was clearly unconstitutional, because they never wanted debt forgiveness. It was all gaslighting.
Now the Democrats are trying to gaslight us with the argument you just made. Hell, Kyle Kulinski tried that on Briana Joy Gray the other day and she flayed him good.
Biden's ALWAYS served the banks, man. That's who he sold out to FIRST, back in the 70s or 80s.
Student loan forgiveness is really just another campaign item now. So are abortion and improving Social Security. Just feel-good stuff used to hook in credulous voters and contributors, trotted out every two/four years. As OB says, Biden has always served the banks.
So all of these things are “feel-good stuff” as opposed to worth fighting for? I’m sorry, I just haven’t ever heard that from either liberals or conservatives before.
Oh, yes, I get it, you’re operating on a whole different level when it comes to those previous words. neither of the major parties are interested in passing those reforms. Right.
Though a whole lot of actual PEOPLE are.
So how are you going to make them all happen despite all these obstacles? I really would like to know.
I quite honestly think the time for those things to happen has gone. That is the "level" I am at. And if you think any of Bernie's "feel-good" stuff is going to be passed, then, well, yeah, keep on holding that thought. We'll see, eh?
I'm beginning to see some of the problems people are having with the epithet "milquetoast neoliberal." It is, in fact, a worst description than being a simple "fascist" is. Trump is a fascist, plain and simple--he just supports corporatocracy since it will make him millions. But to be called a "milquetoast neoliberal" means you are terminally weak-willed. So, Biden is a weak-willed puppet of neoliberalism, which is essentially fascism and militarism combined, isn't it? I can't figure out why anyone would get their knickers in a twist over these descriptions. After all, don't folks support a candidate based on his/her policies and not on what they think about the other candidates? It just comes across as rather shallow to get stuck on descriptions of the duopolist candidates. Concentrate on character of the candidate and their policies--are they for Medicare For All? Forgiving student loan debt? Ending all wars for oil and decomissioning nuclear warheads? You know, important things that will keep us and our children alive. Leave the name-calling to the kids in the schoolyard. There's work to be done!
"After all, don't folks support a candidate based on his/her policies and not on what they think about the other candidates?"
Often the answer to that question really is "No." Sometimes, just not being the other guy, or gal as Hillary found out, is enough to win a vote. Especially when politicians at the federal level who actually stand by what they tell their voters are more scarce than snowflakes in summer.
But I hear you. How anyone can believe that Joe Biden, of all people, is any kind of progressive takes more faith than I am capable of, at least.
I had a glitch here trying to comment back, don't know if others thought they were signed in, but had to sign in again, fyi...
I would use your entire subject post the same way I use sun glasses. My regular glasses function well, but when faced with a bunch of mainstream sunlight that tries to wash me over blind, they adjust themselves so that I can separate all of the impurities of such "light", thus taking care of the bullshit.
It happened... Jimmy Dore may appear rough around the edges, but what a bullshit meter. I wish I had that ability, but I'm glad JD addressed Dr. West. And, every time I happen to see commentary on other shows (as seen in the comments to a recent Tim Black rant), I ask people if the best way to make progress is to complain that Dore called out some serious bullshit.
I wish Cornell West would have resisted the bullshit because he is such a leader, but he is no longer a plausible candidate for POTUS.
And now for another nail in the third/(fourth?) anti-duopoly party movement, I just learned tonight that Peter Daou is West's campaign manager.....The bottom line about Biden's (Democratic Party) fascism is at the end of the day, they're a more effective evil....At least there is pretend opposition when the GOP is in office. Just finished Simon Winlow-Steve Hall's book THE DEATH OF THE LEFT....they perfectly capture Dore's argument about working class unification and how identity politics serves the status quo at the expense of such unification.
No shit. Peter Daou? By Jove, I think you've just discovered Jimmy Dore's postulated infiltrator!
He worked for Kerry in 2004 and Hillary in 2008, initially castigated then supported Bernie Sanders, has consulted for a few other Democratic candidates, and most recently was promoting Marianne Williamson's book tour disguised as a presidential campaign.
IOW, he's part of the great Democratic Party grifting operation. He'll manage West's campaign into either the ground or a de facto endorsement of whoever the Democrats nominate next summer.
Daou appears to have come in from the cold.Not sure why he saw the light,but with somr serious reservations I applaud his conversion to the light.(I’m backing Marianne
Hey all, good to see everyone. Still arguing politics. What a crowd.
Jimmy Dore does have a Bullshit Meter which functions quite well. Yep, as soon as I heard Peter Daou, the fix was in. Peter Daou is a devoted Clinton Goon. He will mess you up fast.
Dore goes through a history of Peter Daou. It is very revealing in more ways than one:
Hey! Good to see you. I was going to post that video, but since you already did...never mind!
That was weird. Dore smells a DNC infiltrator, and then Daou is ballyhooed by the West campaign almost immediately. This guy was writing a lot of the Bernie-bashing stuff that was repeated ad nauseum on DU back in 2016, remember?
What I didn't know was that Daou was a Phalangist in Lebanon back in the 80s. Talk about Fascist, not to mention Zionist. He's a stark contradiction to everything West says he believes in.
I am all for being inclusive, but when have to throw all of your principles out of the window to do so, that is not give and take. Activity killing any living being for the sake of attaining power and power alone is a step too far.
The Democratic Party is the enemy of the American working class every bit as much as the Republican Party is. It is controlled by and serves American capitalism, and is insanely promoting wars and environmental degradation for the fun and profit of the few, and death, destitution and servitude for the many."
Oh, I know. I could have gone on and on, but it would have made the post too long.
Canadians and Americans have to get past the notion electing new prime ministers and presidents is going to solve anything. The party system in both countries is dead in the water. The choice is between the devil we know vs the one we don't . There has to be fundamental change in how we do politics and the first step forward is rescuing our democracies and this can only happen after peace and civility are restored .
Looking forward to your follow up analysis on West's motivations. I disengaged from politics for 16+ years. This Dore interview makes me want to do that again. My head knows that electoral politics are basically meaningless but my heart let in hope that "maybe this time..."
Thanks for this piece. It's been maddening that Dore is unable to get on Twitter to comment about the interview. What a coincidence his account was hacked right when this West episode came out.
It was? I didn't know about the Twitter hack, probably because they banned me a couple of months ago, and I haven't missed the place enough to create another account.
But thanks for that information. After Dore told West he sounded like he was taking advice from a liberal infiltrator, well, just another thing that makes me go "Hmmm..."
You're telling me! I'm not super knowledgeable about Twitter, but as of now, no new posts. It seems like his account posted a lot in the past, so the absence is notable. Trust me I keep checking just to find people I can commiserate with.
Actually, Biden has tried to meaningfully address student loans and student debt forgiveness. Though his first, most ambitious plan was overturned by Trump’s pet Supreme Court after litigation by members of the latter lunatic’s party, the current administration is trying to get at least something done on this even now. See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/02/biden-student-debt-loan-save-plan .
No, ACTUALLY, Biden's handlers made sure Biden tried to forgive the debt in such a manner it was clearly unconstitutional, because they never wanted debt forgiveness. It was all gaslighting.
Now the Democrats are trying to gaslight us with the argument you just made. Hell, Kyle Kulinski tried that on Briana Joy Gray the other day and she flayed him good.
Biden's ALWAYS served the banks, man. That's who he sold out to FIRST, back in the 70s or 80s.
Student loan forgiveness is really just another campaign item now. So are abortion and improving Social Security. Just feel-good stuff used to hook in credulous voters and contributors, trotted out every two/four years. As OB says, Biden has always served the banks.
Always..
So all of these things are “feel-good stuff” as opposed to worth fighting for? I’m sorry, I just haven’t ever heard that from either liberals or conservatives before.
Oh, yes, I get it, you’re operating on a whole different level when it comes to those previous words. neither of the major parties are interested in passing those reforms. Right.
Though a whole lot of actual PEOPLE are.
So how are you going to make them all happen despite all these obstacles? I really would like to know.
I quite honestly think the time for those things to happen has gone. That is the "level" I am at. And if you think any of Bernie's "feel-good" stuff is going to be passed, then, well, yeah, keep on holding that thought. We'll see, eh?
I'm beginning to see some of the problems people are having with the epithet "milquetoast neoliberal." It is, in fact, a worst description than being a simple "fascist" is. Trump is a fascist, plain and simple--he just supports corporatocracy since it will make him millions. But to be called a "milquetoast neoliberal" means you are terminally weak-willed. So, Biden is a weak-willed puppet of neoliberalism, which is essentially fascism and militarism combined, isn't it? I can't figure out why anyone would get their knickers in a twist over these descriptions. After all, don't folks support a candidate based on his/her policies and not on what they think about the other candidates? It just comes across as rather shallow to get stuck on descriptions of the duopolist candidates. Concentrate on character of the candidate and their policies--are they for Medicare For All? Forgiving student loan debt? Ending all wars for oil and decomissioning nuclear warheads? You know, important things that will keep us and our children alive. Leave the name-calling to the kids in the schoolyard. There's work to be done!
"After all, don't folks support a candidate based on his/her policies and not on what they think about the other candidates?"
Often the answer to that question really is "No." Sometimes, just not being the other guy, or gal as Hillary found out, is enough to win a vote. Especially when politicians at the federal level who actually stand by what they tell their voters are more scarce than snowflakes in summer.
But I hear you. How anyone can believe that Joe Biden, of all people, is any kind of progressive takes more faith than I am capable of, at least.
I had a glitch here trying to comment back, don't know if others thought they were signed in, but had to sign in again, fyi...
I would use your entire subject post the same way I use sun glasses. My regular glasses function well, but when faced with a bunch of mainstream sunlight that tries to wash me over blind, they adjust themselves so that I can separate all of the impurities of such "light", thus taking care of the bullshit.
It happened... Jimmy Dore may appear rough around the edges, but what a bullshit meter. I wish I had that ability, but I'm glad JD addressed Dr. West. And, every time I happen to see commentary on other shows (as seen in the comments to a recent Tim Black rant), I ask people if the best way to make progress is to complain that Dore called out some serious bullshit.
I wish Cornell West would have resisted the bullshit because he is such a leader, but he is no longer a plausible candidate for POTUS.
And now for another nail in the third/(fourth?) anti-duopoly party movement, I just learned tonight that Peter Daou is West's campaign manager.....The bottom line about Biden's (Democratic Party) fascism is at the end of the day, they're a more effective evil....At least there is pretend opposition when the GOP is in office. Just finished Simon Winlow-Steve Hall's book THE DEATH OF THE LEFT....they perfectly capture Dore's argument about working class unification and how identity politics serves the status quo at the expense of such unification.
No shit. Peter Daou? By Jove, I think you've just discovered Jimmy Dore's postulated infiltrator!
He worked for Kerry in 2004 and Hillary in 2008, initially castigated then supported Bernie Sanders, has consulted for a few other Democratic candidates, and most recently was promoting Marianne Williamson's book tour disguised as a presidential campaign.
IOW, he's part of the great Democratic Party grifting operation. He'll manage West's campaign into either the ground or a de facto endorsement of whoever the Democrats nominate next summer.
Daou appears to have come in from the cold.Not sure why he saw the light,but with somr serious reservations I applaud his conversion to the light.(I’m backing Marianne
,even though I know it’s futile.)
Hey all, good to see everyone. Still arguing politics. What a crowd.
Jimmy Dore does have a Bullshit Meter which functions quite well. Yep, as soon as I heard Peter Daou, the fix was in. Peter Daou is a devoted Clinton Goon. He will mess you up fast.
Dore goes through a history of Peter Daou. It is very revealing in more ways than one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IgRBk8P4tw
You cannot make this bullshit up!
Hey! Good to see you. I was going to post that video, but since you already did...never mind!
That was weird. Dore smells a DNC infiltrator, and then Daou is ballyhooed by the West campaign almost immediately. This guy was writing a lot of the Bernie-bashing stuff that was repeated ad nauseum on DU back in 2016, remember?
What I didn't know was that Daou was a Phalangist in Lebanon back in the 80s. Talk about Fascist, not to mention Zionist. He's a stark contradiction to everything West says he believes in.
I am all for being inclusive, but when have to throw all of your principles out of the window to do so, that is not give and take. Activity killing any living being for the sake of attaining power and power alone is a step too far.
The Democratic Party is the enemy of the American working class every bit as much as the Republican Party is. It is controlled by and serves American capitalism, and is insanely promoting wars and environmental degradation for the fun and profit of the few, and death, destitution and servitude for the many."
Well said!